Well obviously to the manager who bought him.Clowny said:Mountaineer said:Don't buy a player if you don't know how to use him.
And to whom is your advice directed?
taconinja said:I'm fine with the player, and I'm fine with supporting the player. Oddly, quite a few very loud Dzeko supporters are just fine trashing every other player and manager and support staff member and anyone else. Funny how complete unquestioning dedication is only supposed to be directed to one player.
mancunial said:His ball control whilst taking a defender on is not bad, but his collection is abysmal, surely if you were a coach you would be working him on this problem, to me it seems to be getting worse, he definitely needs to be out under some sort of pressure to make him up his game.
How about name-calling? Do you consider that a "simple comparison?"CaliforniaBlue said:taconinja said:I'm fine with the player, and I'm fine with supporting the player. Oddly, quite a few very loud Dzeko supporters are just fine trashing every other player and manager and support staff member and anyone else. Funny how complete unquestioning dedication is only supposed to be directed to one player.
I can't comment on every post by every Dzeko supporter, and I'm sure some have been unfairly critical of our other strikers, but I've seen many posts (and contributed a few myself) in which the attempt is not to 'trash' another player (usually Aguero or Tevez) but to make comparisons between things they've done and things Dzeko has done on the pitch (which would seem to be a reasonable thing to do in a discussion forum). It's surely fair to say that if it's fair to criticize Dzeko for missing an easy chance (for example), then it's also fair to criticize Aguero or Tevez for missing a similarly easy chance. Anything else would be hypocritical. As I said, I can't comment on every post, and you may be referring to posts with which I'm unfamiliar, but anyone who considers simple comparisons to be trashing Aguero or Tevez is perhaps too sensitive to be taking part in this debate.
taconinja said:How about name-calling? Do you consider that a "simple comparison?"CaliforniaBlue said:taconinja said:I'm fine with the player, and I'm fine with supporting the player. Oddly, quite a few very loud Dzeko supporters are just fine trashing every other player and manager and support staff member and anyone else. Funny how complete unquestioning dedication is only supposed to be directed to one player.
I can't comment on every post by every Dzeko supporter, and I'm sure some have been unfairly critical of our other strikers, but I've seen many posts (and contributed a few myself) in which the attempt is not to 'trash' another player (usually Aguero or Tevez) but to make comparisons between things they've done and things Dzeko has done on the pitch (which would seem to be a reasonable thing to do in a discussion forum). It's surely fair to say that if it's fair to criticize Dzeko for missing an easy chance (for example), then it's also fair to criticize Aguero or Tevez for missing a similarly easy chance. Anything else would be hypocritical. As I said, I can't comment on every post, and you may be referring to posts with which I'm unfamiliar, but anyone who considers simple comparisons to be trashing Aguero or Tevez is perhaps too sensitive to be taking part in this debate.
Sure. I don't agree with simply stringing numbers out though without context. As I said, I like and support the player. Doesn't change the fact that Nimely looked better today. Hopefully that motivates Dzeko.CaliforniaBlue said:taconinja said:How about name-calling? Do you consider that a "simple comparison?"CaliforniaBlue said:I can't comment on every post by every Dzeko supporter, and I'm sure some have been unfairly critical of our other strikers, but I've seen many posts (and contributed a few myself) in which the attempt is not to 'trash' another player (usually Aguero or Tevez) but to make comparisons between things they've done and things Dzeko has done on the pitch (which would seem to be a reasonable thing to do in a discussion forum). It's surely fair to say that if it's fair to criticize Dzeko for missing an easy chance (for example), then it's also fair to criticize Aguero or Tevez for missing a similarly easy chance. Anything else would be hypocritical. As I said, I can't comment on every post, and you may be referring to posts with which I'm unfamiliar, but anyone who considers simple comparisons to be trashing Aguero or Tevez is perhaps too sensitive to be taking part in this debate.
No, that wouldn't be a "simple comparison", and it would be out of order, but I haven't seen too much of that by Dzeko supporters (as I said, I can't comment on every post or poster, and there are probably a lot of ridiculous ones in the 3000+ pages of this thread). I'm pretty sure there's been a lot more name calling in Dzeko's direction, to be quite honest, and whatever you think of his ability, I don't think that's okay either.
Since you only seem to have a problem with name-calling, I hope this means you agree that comparisons are a perfectly reasonable way to discuss the relative merits of our players.
Mountaineer said:I guess I'll post my thoughts as someone who has watched Dzeko for most of his career.
As long as I've been reading this forum, I've always wondered just how and why do certain members manage to blame one player for everything even when the entire team plays like crap. Dzeko plays a half and doesn't score, he sucks. Aguero plays a half and doesn't score -- nobody says anything nearly as negative.
Despite being a complete monster in the Bundesliga and despite being a monster for his national team, some City fans are so convinced that Dzeko sucks and has always sucked and nothing can change that. So Dzeko, while sucking mind you, manages to score as many or more goals as Aguero or Tevez, and in less time. Strange. Defies all logic. All three have a mediocre season, but only Dzeko sucks. Strange.
Funny how the "sucking" only started once Mancini got a hold of him. Before that, nobody would have even entertained the idea that 'Dzeko sucks'. His first touch was great too, but now it's "the worst on the planet". Was all that stuff in the Bundesliga a fluke? Or how about for the national team? Fluke? At City he can admittedly sometimes look comatose for most of the match, and then a few days later he looks beastly for the national team. Odd.
If Dzeko has become lazy since coming to City, it is because the style of play under Mancini was slow and lazy. Back to the goal for the entire match, just waiting for the ball, instead of aggressive fast paced attacking football like Wolfsburg and like the Bosnian national team. Don't buy a player if you don't know how to use him.