Edin Dzeko

[pudge]

Would you be ever so polite to let me know what have I not answered?

No?

How ironic..

Also, I wouldn't say being called a "gobshite/****/coward and being labelled gay all within 5 minutes could be classified as polite, but those routine personal attacks would fall under stalking tbf

Pudge, have a drink or two, i was being sarcastic...

My apologies then, although I still don't fully understand.

 

[AzRim]

Don't hate him, just want him sold so this thread can die. Same ol' 4-5 guys going in circles.

 

[SrilankanBlue]

@ManCityMEN 5h
Chance conversion rate 2013-14: Dzeko (12%), Negredo (25%), Aguero (40%) #MCFC

 

[Joe Hart's Dandruff]

@ManCityMEN 5h
Chance conversion rate 2013-14: Dzeko (12%), Negredo (25%), Aguero (40%) #MCFC

BOOM. He should be riding the pine. Playing him costs us points.

 

[foetus]

I would suggest he's most certainly no higher than 3rd choice (behind Aguero and negredo). He's ahead of Jovetic, but a lot of that is down to Jovetic's lack of fitness and, therefore, playing time. If he gets fit, and gets a few games under his belt, perhaps he will indeed relegate Dzeko to 4th choice.

In all honesty I don't think it;s as simple as 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th choices. I think it's likely to be 1 from Aguero/Jovetic, paired with 1 from Negredo/Dzeko, with the possibility of utilising Jovetic's versitility and playing him in a wider position. I don't believe Dzeko and Negredo together makes a very good partnership, I think you need to play one of those 2 alongside one of the other 2 (Aguero and Jovetic). I think you could play Aguero and Jovetic together, but that City would work better with just 1 of them paired up with one of the bigger guys.

Dzeko needs more consistency in his play to make himself the better choice when it comes to him or Negredo, he needs to bring more to his game than scoring goals (because that can't always be relied upon, and a striker needs to be contributing even when he isn't getting too many chances to score), and he doesn't really do that. Negredo does.

I agree, as far as strikers MP should pair Jovetic with Negredo vs. West Ham and rest Aguerro&Dzeko due to heavy and very important international games tomorrow. Dzeko could get some time in second half if we are chasing goal or two. Jovetic or Aguerro paired with Dzeko should be playing CC vs. Newcastle and Aguerro/Negredo vs. CSKA.

We all know Edin can contribute to a team even though he does not always score, he did it several times in the past. Not sure what is going on through his head when he doesn't perform well and he does not score. I think Zlaja mentioned "Balkan don't give a fuk syndrome" due to various reasons (i.e. when he is not in first 11, or MP did not praise him for good game, or "name a MCFC footballer" did not pass the ball to him, or whatever), but I don't think he has any issue with it. He is paid big money and should got over any delicate situation the quickest possible way.

Negredo showed some talent and dedication, he fight for the spot and he does it well. But, it takes more than 7 games to realize what kind of player he is. He might be ahead of Edin because he worked hard, just need to be more clinical.

I guess you all know strikers are not a problem this season, right?

City have got a huge number of games ahead of them this season so it's pretty obvious that all 4 striking options will get a decent amount of game time, some more than others, but all of them will play a significant part in our season. The issue Dzeko has is that he, as is understandable, wants to be the "go to guy" who is selected for the truly high profile matches. However his performances over the last 8 or 9 months haven't warranted his selection in these games. Simply put, if I'm looking to pick City's strongest possible lineup, for the match against Chelsea in a couple of weeks, then, assuming we start with 2 strikers, I'd be picking Aguero and Negredo. This is simply because, on form, and on contribution to the team, they are our best options at present. If Dzeko isn't happy about this then he has it within his own power to do something about it, all he needs to do is improve to the levels he has previously shown he can reach. If he can't, or won't, reach these levels, then he's no-one else to blame for not being the main option for City when it comes to strikers.

Everyone read what Matty has said. Summed the situation up perfectly imo

 

[burnley blue mcfc]

dzeko is nowhere near aguero or negrado's quality so he's 3rd choice,but he shouldnt blame himself for this situation?........its JOE HART'S FAULT!!! well he's getting blamed for everything else!!!! haha

 

[noise]

@ManCityMEN 5h
Chance conversion rate 2013-14: Dzeko (12%), Negredo (25%), Aguero (40%) #MCFC

I am all for stats even though the season just started. But let's not shun the stats when they show Dzeko's contribution like we did in the past seasons.

 

[NorCalBlue]

@ManCityMEN 5h
Chance conversion rate 2013-14: Dzeko (12%), Negredo (25%), Aguero (40%) #MCFC

Looks like we're in business then, since the worst of those numbers is the same as Suarez' chance conversion rate in the Prem last season (and only 1% lower than Bale's). Three strikers as good or better than Suarez, and two of them better than anyone who scored 10 or more goals in the Prem last season (Chicharito was top at 23%)! Wow! I don't suppose the fact we've only played 7 games so far affects the validity of those numbers. No, of course not.

And for those who don't know, chance conversion rate isn't about how many goals you score from goal scoring chances (as you might naively assume), it's simply goals divided by shots (not sure of the source of the numbers shown above, but that's how everyone seems to calculate it). So having a good chance, but not scoring because you chose not to take a shot, fell over, miscontrolled the ball, or lost it some other way, doesn't count as a missed conversion, but a speculative effort form 25 yards does.

Also, I don't remember seeing it on here last March, but the following quote comes from the stats site eplindex.com on March 7 (<a class="postlink" href="http://eplindex.com/27890/how-well-does-your-team-convert-chances-premier-league-stats-comparison.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://eplindex.com/27890/how-well-does ... rison.html</a>);

"Manchester United’s Robin van Persie has actually improved his chance conversion by 2% up to 23%. He seems to be the difference in winning the title this season although, in comparison, Edin Dzeko’s chance conversion is at 25% (i.e. better than van Persie’s). The problem is that Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini has only started Dzeko on 11 occasions this season which is surprising as this season they’ve required a lethal finisher."

I must have missed the clamour to make Edin the number one striker ahead of Aguero and Tevez at the end of last season based on those numbers...

 

[pudge]

@ManCityMEN 5h
Chance conversion rate 2013-14: Dzeko (12%), Negredo (25%), Aguero (40%) #MCFC

Looks like we're in business then, since the worst of those numbers is the same as Suarez' chance conversion rate in the Prem last season (and only 1% lower than Bale's). Three strikers as good or better than Suarez, and two of them better than anyone who scored 10 or more goals in the Prem last season (Chicharito was top at 23%)! Wow! I don't suppose the fact we've only played 7 games so far affects the validity of those numbers. No, of course not.

And for those who don't know, chance conversion rate isn't about how many goals you score from goal scoring chances (as you might naively assume), it's simply goals divided by shots (not sure of the source of the numbers shown above, but that's how everyone seems to calculate it). So having a good chance, but not scoring because you chose not to take a shot, fell over, miscontrolled the ball, or lost it some other way, doesn't count as a missed conversion, but a speculative effort form 25 yards does.

Also, I don't remember seeing it on here last March, but the following quote comes from the stats site eplindex.com on March 7 (<a class="postlink" href="http://eplindex.com/27890/how-well-does-your-team-convert-chances-premier-league-stats-comparison.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://eplindex.com/27890/how-well-does ... rison.html</a>);

"Manchester United’s Robin van Persie has actually improved his chance conversion by 2% up to 23%. He seems to be the difference in winning the title this season although, in comparison, Edin Dzeko’s chance conversion is at 25% (i.e. better than van Persie’s). The problem is that Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini has only started Dzeko on 11 occasions this season which is surprising as this season they’ve required a lethal finisher."

I must have missed the clamour to make Edin the number one striker ahead of Aguero and Tevez at the end of last season based on those numbers...

33 games into last season Dzeko's conversion rate was 19%, if that was posted in March 7th then there were 28 games played at that stage, I can't imagine there was that drastic a drop so something's wrong...

Fletcher was the only striker with a rate of over 22% at that point too. Should've signed him up and dropped Aguero.

 

[noise]

@ManCityMEN 5h
Chance conversion rate 2013-14: Dzeko (12%), Negredo (25%), Aguero (40%) #MCFC

Looks like we're in business then, since the worst of those numbers is the same as Suarez' chance conversion rate in the Prem last season (and only 1% lower than Bale's). Three strikers as good or better than Suarez, and two of them better than anyone who scored 10 or more goals in the Prem last season (Chicharito was top at 23%)! Wow! I don't suppose the fact we've only played 7 games so far affects the validity of those numbers. No, of course not.

And for those who don't know, chance conversion rate isn't about how many goals you score from goal scoring chances (as you might naively assume), it's simply goals divided by shots (not sure of the source of the numbers shown above, but that's how everyone seems to calculate it). So having a good chance, but not scoring because you chose not to take a shot, fell over, miscontrolled the ball, or lost it some other way, doesn't count as a missed conversion, but a speculative effort form 25 yards does.

Also, I don't remember seeing it on here last March, but the following quote comes from the stats site eplindex.com on March 7 (<a class="postlink" href="http://eplindex.com/27890/how-well-does-your-team-convert-chances-premier-league-stats-comparison.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://eplindex.com/27890/how-well-does ... rison.html</a>);

"Manchester United’s Robin van Persie has actually improved his chance conversion by 2% up to 23%. He seems to be the difference in winning the title this season although, in comparison, Edin Dzeko’s chance conversion is at 25% (i.e. better than van Persie’s). The problem is that Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini has only started Dzeko on 11 occasions this season which is surprising as this season they’ve required a lethal finisher."

I must have missed the clamour to make Edin the number one striker ahead of Aguero and Tevez at the end of last season based on those numbers...

haha nice!