Edin Dzeko

[Ray78]

He isn't anything if he is not a target man. He is a beanpole who doesn't have the pace to get in behind, can't beat a man with trickery, his first touch is dodgy and he can't win a header. I'm sorry for 30 million or whatever we payed for him that isn't good enough, especially when you throw his dodgy attitude into the mix.

Infuriates me when he lies on the ground pretending to be hurt while the play goes on around him.

Franny Jeffers scored goals but he was shit.

Your post sir is a fine example what's wrong with this thread.

It's the truth, how can it be wrong?

I wouldn't put Dzeko in the Heskey, Crouch, Carlton Cole or Samaras category.

 

[noise]

It's the truth, how can it be wrong?

Franny Jeffers couldn't tie Dzeko's shoes for one.

I am surprised Dzeko can tie his own boots the way he has been playing ;)

I am surprised he's this good, considering he's not even trying after being benched for so long. Imagine if he was trying? I don't have to, I watched him in Wolfsburg.

 

[teddykgb]

Yet, some react as if those two moments negate 90 minutes of poor play when they don't, but it also can't be said that he was awful all game obviously because he had an assist and a goal.

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This really is the crux of it, isn't it? Incredibly hard player to judge. The goals and assists just always find a way to happen, it's rather incredible really. He can do nothing for huge amounts of time, but has an almost supernatural ability to find himself in the right place at the right time to make things happen. I understand all of the frustration about the player, even if I don't agree with most of it, because at the end of the day if the goals and assists are there, I'm not sure I care much how they came. But I can absolutely see the flip side to this, how the goals and assists can seem to be a mirage that papers over so many cracks. I legitimately don't know what the right or wrong way to view this is, it seems clear cut at this point that Edin will bag goals and create from time to time, and will frustrate the shit out of his teammates and fans in the time between his world class plays.

I do think that his size and stature really hurt him. It's impossible to see a player this large and not want the player to be a physical force who imposes his will upon the game more consistently. The contrast against Negredo is massive, because Negredo is basically the player you'd want Edin to be, only Edin's strengths and weaknesses in reality are just different.

I don't know why I'm bothering in the Edin thread yet again, since it's just not a worthwhile exercise. I think the consensus that was being achieved is largely true. I think Dzeko likely needs to move on to a team that fits him a bit better. I think it's clear from his Bosnian record and his time at Wolfsburg that he probably needs to be more of a focal point than he will likely ever be with our squad. Or permitted to be more of a "fox in the box" who just gets goals while the rest of his team creates. I'd be terrified of him reprising the role Gomez had at Bayern, or even Lewandowski at Dortmund, because I think he'd excel. Realistically, in our setup, we're not quite good enough that we can expect our other 10 to be so dominant that our striker can simply be a ruthless, instinctual, goal scoring machine.

With my money on the line, however, with a striker bearing down on the box, I'd surely feel confident with Dzeko with the ball at his feet. He's got one hell of a shot and a real knack for finding the back of the net. I suspect we as fans will miss this after he's moved on and some of the heavier touches, turnovers, and silly passes have faded from our memory.

 

[noise]

Great post teddykgb

 

[pudge]

Pominoz is right, I don't hate or dislike Dzeko. You don't do what he's done in his career if you're 'shit'.

But as I said, the reaction to his performance last night is what irks me and other posters.

He was poor for the majority of the game, that's a fact. Everyone was, until Silva came on, but as this is the Dzeko thread and someone asked how he played in particular then his individual performance will be discussed.

If that was a league game and it ended after 90 minutes, nobody could say he himself played well.

BUT he helped change the game in ET and produced two moments of quality.

Yet, some react as if those two moments negate 90 minutes of poor play when they don't, but it also can't be said that he was awful all game obviously because he had an assist and a goal.

Posters have addressed both, "played poorly for most but still knows where the back of the net is and helped change the game for us"

What's wrong with that summary? Nothing, its not hateful or trolling, its the truth. Yet some won't have that and that's what annoys the fuck out of most.

I even praised him after last night but people just see the word 'pudge' and see red..

Imo, he did never really shine in City. That's on the style of the play, I posted it a few games after that Spurs game. It did never suit him, and unfortunately for him it did not change much under the new manager. For City, we'll still see.
And Negredo fits better in at the moment, that's true. Being on the bench behind Negredo and Kun is actually fair. But being behind of Balo, I think, was not.

Nevertheless, one cannot deny Dzeko's quality. It's nothing about crosses, nothing about touch, head, left or right foot. When used to his strengths, he is lethal and he is "world-class". Create him space where he can run into and send him balls there. Pass or cross the ball to him when in the box. Then, he can create chances, and he can score even better. That's actually it.

Never have, never will. Like I said, you don't achieve what he has in his career if you're not a quality player.

But as much as we'd all love it, we'll never see the 'Wolfsburg Dzeko' here because we won't ever suit his qualities as much as that team or league did.

Yes he scores goals and nobody can deny or knock that but when you see someone like Negredo who's scoring as frequently but, and I don't mean this in a hateful or mean way, is offering more then it kinda makes Dzeko look expendable if not just knocking him down the pecking order. Negredo's style suits this league and our play, whereas that's not the case for Dzeko.

If he stays then he'll continue to bag 10-15 goals a season but not much else, which at City would equate to 3rd/4th choice and ultimately it would seem like a waste of talent because he's proven he's better than as he's won player of the year awards, and not for no reason.

But at the same time it's frustrating because you feel a player of that level could adapt his game, especially given he's been here for 3+ years, hence the frustration.

 

[BlueTG]

Franny Jeffers couldn't tie Dzeko's shoes for one.

I am surprised Dzeko can tie his own boots the way he has been playing ;)

I am surprised he's this good, considering he's not even trying after being benched for so long. Imagine if he was trying? I don't have to, I watched him in Wolfsburg.

Well if he's not trying, he can sit on the bench for fucking eternity then and clearly its his attitude that is the issue.

 

[noise]

Pominoz is right, I don't hate or dislike Dzeko. You don't do what he's done in his career if you're 'shit'.

But as I said, the reaction to his performance last night is what irks me and other posters.

He was poor for the majority of the game, that's a fact. Everyone was, until Silva came on, but as this is the Dzeko thread and someone asked how he played in particular then his individual performance will be discussed.

If that was a league game and it ended after 90 minutes, nobody could say he himself played well.

BUT he helped change the game in ET and produced two moments of quality.

Yet, some react as if those two moments negate 90 minutes of poor play when they don't, but it also can't be said that he was awful all game obviously because he had an assist and a goal.

Posters have addressed both, "played poorly for most but still knows where the back of the net is and helped change the game for us"

What's wrong with that summary? Nothing, its not hateful or trolling, its the truth. Yet some won't have that and that's what annoys the fuck out of most.

I even praised him after last night but people just see the word 'pudge' and see red..

Imo, he did never really shine in City. That's on the style of the play, I posted it a few games after that Spurs game. It did never suit him, and unfortunately for him it did not change much under the new manager. For City, we'll still see.
And Negredo fits better in at the moment, that's true. Being on the bench behind Negredo and Kun is actually fair. But being behind of Balo, I think, was not.

Nevertheless, one cannot deny Dzeko's quality. It's nothing about crosses, nothing about touch, head, left or right foot. When used to his strengths, he is lethal and he is "world-class". Create him space where he can run into and send him balls there. Pass or cross the ball to him when in the box. Then, he can create chances, and he can score even better. That's actually it.

Never have, never will. Like I said, you don't achieve what he has in his career if you're not a quality player.

But as much as we'd all love it, we'll never see the 'Wolfsburg Dzeko' here because we won't ever suit his qualities as much as that team or league did.

Yes he scores goals and nobody can deny or knock that but when you see someone like Negredo who's scoring as frequently but, and I don't mean this in a hateful or mean way, is offering more then it kinda makes Dzeko look expendable if not just knocking him down the pecking order. Negredo's style suits this league and our play, whereas that's not the case for Dzeko.

If he stays then he'll continue to bag 10-15 goals a season but not much else, which at City would equate to 3rd/4th choice and ultimately it would seem like a waste of talent because he's proven he's better than as he's won player of the year awards, and not for no reason.

But at the same time it's frustrating because you feel a player of that level could adapt his game, especially given he's been here for 3+ years, hence the frustration.

I actually agree with your assessment here. and I must admit I really like Negredo, he's really grown on me. But I still think Dzeko is a huge untapped potential. Which he will only realize if he leaves imo. So I am in agreement.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

zzzz watch the giffs plz and stop talking out of your ass

Hombre has been watching City since before he could walk. He's probably seen City play away more times than you've seen them on a stream.
I'd rather listen to his opinion than that of a johnny come lately who would struggle to find Manchester on a map.
He's spot on with his assessment of Dzeko's performance yesterday. Dzeko is a player who needs to play every game. If he doesn't, he sulks and goes missing. The simple fact is, he isn't as good as Negredo. If he was, he'd start more often. There's no conspiracy against Dzeko, if he plays well, he is praised. He just doesn't do it often enough to warrant a guaranteed starting spot.
If he stopped being such a mard arse and applied himself better, he would probably start more.

No, you're not getting it, Dzeko actually DOES play well, it's just only Dzeko fans can see it. The rest of us, City fans, City managers etc, are just wrong. When we watch the game we don't understand that Dzeko is, consistently, one of the World's best players.

And we're secretly Serbian, so hate him anyway.

Haha Matty you are on one today

 

[noise]

I am surprised Dzeko can tie his own boots the way he has been playing ;)

I am surprised he's this good, considering he's not even trying after being benched for so long. Imagine if he was trying? I don't have to, I watched him in Wolfsburg.

Well if he's not trying, he can sit on the bench for fucking eternity then and clearly its his attitude that is the issue.

I think the attitude is the result of being dicked around for the last 3 years.

- Play well as a sub and you will get a crack at the starting XI. Done. Super sub haha!

 

[blink922]

A bit OT, but I'm starting to think AntiUnited is Tevez City with a new hero.

 

[pudge]

Imo, he did never really shine in City. That's on the style of the play, I posted it a few games after that Spurs game. It did never suit him, and unfortunately for him it did not change much under the new manager. For City, we'll still see.
And Negredo fits better in at the moment, that's true. Being on the bench behind Negredo and Kun is actually fair. But being behind of Balo, I think, was not.

Nevertheless, one cannot deny Dzeko's quality. It's nothing about crosses, nothing about touch, head, left or right foot. When used to his strengths, he is lethal and he is "world-class". Create him space where he can run into and send him balls there. Pass or cross the ball to him when in the box. Then, he can create chances, and he can score even better. That's actually it.

Never have, never will. Like I said, you don't achieve what he has in his career if you're not a quality player.

But as much as we'd all love it, we'll never see the 'Wolfsburg Dzeko' here because we won't ever suit his qualities as much as that team or league did.

Yes he scores goals and nobody can deny or knock that but when you see someone like Negredo who's scoring as frequently but, and I don't mean this in a hateful or mean way, is offering more then it kinda makes Dzeko look expendable if not just knocking him down the pecking order. Negredo's style suits this league and our play, whereas that's not the case for Dzeko.

If he stays then he'll continue to bag 10-15 goals a season but not much else, which at City would equate to 3rd/4th choice and ultimately it would seem like a waste of talent because he's proven he's better than as he's won player of the year awards, and not for no reason.

But at the same time it's frustrating because you feel a player of that level could adapt his game, especially given he's been here for 3+ years, hence the frustration.

I actually agree with your assessment here. and I must admit I really like Negredo, he's really grown on me. But I still think Dzeko is a huge untapped potential. Which he will only realize if he leaves imo.

City were just never the club for him, Mancini seemingly tried to put a square peg in a round hole.

If he leaves and goes to a club that will build around him he'll not only score more but enjoy himself more, which is why it would be best all round. Not because people want him out for the sake of it.

Before his goals were crucial but now we have Negredo it maybe allows us to go after a lesser, actual 3rd/4th choice striker and not 'waste' a quality player like Dzeko who was never and more than likely won't see his potential fulfilled here or in this league.

BUT, it doesn't completely excuse some of his performances or attitude which again leads to much frustration, because you feel sometimes he can do more but it's him, not the system, that's preventing it.

 

[Maldeika]

He was bought to score goals for Gods sake he isn't Messi or Aguero. You can't expect him to dribble like those two are doing. He's doing what he's paid for. Some City fans on here are just ungrateful spoiled kids. I don't see these kind of posts on Bayern Munich forums towards Gomez or Mandzukic.

Oh, there is. Believe me. I do not know about the English Bayern forums as all what I have seen there is "player praise" - but in the German forums there is. Especially when it means Gomez. He probably is the most critisized German player...

 

[glassyeyes]

I think TedyKGB wrote probably the best assessment of Dzeko on this forum.

Dzeko can indeed appear to be invisible, useless, slow, idea-less, almost lost for about 60-70 minutes of game (but just appear, not actually be), because then when you just think that he is going to be awful and useless, he starts a sprint, makes passes between the legs of defenders, setting up a quick goal or scores without anyone seeing it happen.

Its almost like Dzeko embraces a style of play that is parallel to Mike Tyson's "pik a boo" style in boxing. Tyson used to cover his face, you think he is scared, or he is defensive, or he is done, and when you relax and he knocks you out. Same thing with Dzeko, he looks slow, he looks useless, defenders get encouraged (because he is under control), and then suddenly, when everything looks really bad, Dzeko moves it into overdrive and BOOM - its a goal.


He does this all the time.
That's why I say - he is not useless - he only appears to be useless, and uses that appearance to his advantage when he needs to surprise you with a score. He does it so well.

 

[samharris]

For a non Bosnian (allegedly) Liverpool/City supporter, what is it with you and trying to prove that the majority of City fans are wrong when it comes to Dzeko?

It's not only about opinion. Everyone has his own opinion. You can love this or that player more, hate the other one, and so on.
I love Dzeko and I am happy when he plays well. I also do not have problems when someone thinks Ballo/Aguero/Negredo is better than Dzeko.
(Well imo Aguero for sure is better, and Balo is not, but that's off topic).

But pudge does not skip a single game, without trying to diminish Dzeko's effort.
When Dzeko scored that screamer against Cardiff, he spent 10 pages in this thread, trying to explain everyone how the ball was deflected.
But who cares?!? As a "real City fan" he is supposed to be happy about that goal. Simple.

When Dzeko scores a tap-in, then it was simple, everyone could have done that. But when Negredo does the same, then he is a match winner.
And Dzekos' assist AND goal weighs less than Negredo's tap-in (nothing against Negredo, great player).

Still, he has right on his own opinion. But his opinion does not change, so I don't get why he has to repeat himself week in week out.
Would he be so critical about all other City players like he is about Dzeko, then he would have to spend 100h/day only to write all this stuff.

But who cares. I mostly ignore his posts, because they are far from being objective.

I think Pudge's, and many other poster's problem is that every other City player has been criticised on here at one time or another, but it is only Dzeko that has such a fanatical fan base, that to post that he had a bad game results in the type of shit we have seen in the last 100+ pages. Dzeko had a bad game, "no, you are anti-Bosnian, racist, know fuck all about football, not real City fans", on and on it goes.
No one hates Dzeko on here, but he has more bad games than good, and we should have the right to say so without the bullshit from his fanboys.

But every fucking day...??? some lives need to be got.. seriously...

Right..its back to the United thread for me.. I prefer to slag off our rivals rather than our own..especially a player who had a big hand in getting us one step closer to Wembley..

 

[decmancity]

He scores goals, some crucial ones and some not so crucial ones but if I was manager then Jovetic and Negredo play ahead of him every time, never mind Aguero.

When Pellegrini took over for some a few convinced themselves that Dzeko would be the main man and be this all conquering striker. I just couldn't see it and so far have been proven correct.

Can't see him staying around much longer than Jan/Summer at the latest.

 

[coleridge]

I don't see Dzeko leaving any time soon and certainly not based on the strange logic that I've seen employed on BM.

 

[AntiUnited]

And on that note, i am out!

For now ;)

Like it or not lukaku is world class and the scariest thing about him is that he still has lots to learn hes the next big superstar in the making. Watching him dismantel united and many rrespectable teams on his own proves this.

The further this thread goes, the more shit you talk.

HAHAHAHH. hes only scoring a goal a game and shitting on most CH's in the league 2 years in a row at the age of 20. His last game for the national side. he just just simply waltz outran, outmuscled defenders for 2 world class goals( which led to belg going into the wold cup). Do me a favor and watch him play before u start talking shit. knowing you wont ill just post these here.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJyB2Y0WpoA[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lh974LLudA[/youtube]

 

[gmckennasell]

no doubt dzeko is a great player , but his attitude and worth ethic reminds me of adebayor , he plays for himself , he basically couldnt give a shit about city , he constantly falls on his backside and whinges to officials ,i would rather have a player with half his ability giving 100% every game . But i repeat dzeko is a great player , he just doesnt want to play for city.

 

[NorCalBlue]

I think Pudge's, and many other poster's problem is that every other City player has been criticised on here at one time or another, but it is only Dzeko that has such a fanatical fan base, that to post that he had a bad game results in the type of shit we have seen in the last 100+ pages. Dzeko had a bad game, "no, you are anti-Bosnian, racist, know fuck all about football, not real City fans", on and on it goes.
No one hates Dzeko on here, but he has more bad games than good, and we should have the right to say so without the bullshit from his fanboys.

It depends what you mean by "bullshit". If you mean personal attacks on you, then I agree, and in the same vein, posters ("fanboys" or otherwise) have the right to say he had a good game without the same "bullshit" from his detractors.

If "bullshit" just means a very passionate disagreement, then that's a different matter. If I say that I think he had a good game against Newcastle and played a critical role in our victory, the odds are that my opinion will immediately be contradicted by someone who thinks otherwise. And if it is, what's the problem? - it's a forum after all, where all respectful views are welcomed. I may want to continue the discussion if I still hold my opinion despite the counter-arguments, and I might try to explain why I think I'm right and s/he's wrong, but that's all part of it. If anyone has a problem with someone else telling them they're wrong, and then explaining why, they shouldn't be on a forum (and yes, if someone disagrees with me, I necessarily think they're wrong, just as they think I'm wrong - if I didn't think they were wrong, then I'd have the same opinion as they do in the first place and we wouldn't be having an argument).

When reasoned argument, made with some attempt to persuade, degenerates to back-and-forth contradiction, I usually check out for a bit as people's positions have become so calcified at that point that there's no longer anything productive to be gained from it, and it's a lot less interesting.

As a final thought, sometimes posters come on here (in various threads) to vent or to celebrate - they're not looking to discuss anything or have their opinions challenged. Without wanting to unnecessarily proliferate threads, it would be nice if there were places to do this - imagine the peace and harmony if there was a "Celebrate Dzeko" thread and a separate "Criticize Dzeko" thread, where both sides could do their thing in the aftermath of a game and get it off their chests without getting sucked into a 10 page argument. Just a thought.

 

[Chikago]

Do one of you blokes work for the Manchester Evening News? I've noticed in the past Dzeko's rating is always harsh on that web site, especially in cases where the whole team is shit and the midfield provides no service.

Their player ratings for the match:

7 DZEKO Long periods of absence punctuated by the odd moment of real class – he did brilliantly to create Negredo’s goal, and nicked one himself

NEGREDO (for Jovetic 10) Always likeliest to score 7

It is clear some of you have a double standard when it comes to Negredo and Dzeko. It sounds like the whole team did nothing worthy in the first 90 (and really, any half-knowledgable City fan should have seen that coming with that starting midfield) - yet Negredo's thread on the forum has no comments on the match, but Edin's has many people saying he was mostly absent despite him being the main contributor for the victory. Unreal.