England v Germany | Nations League | Monday 26th September, 19:45

Saddleworth2 said:
Mate, for me its not really about winning as much as performance. Do England have a defined style of play? Do they make best use of the talents they have? Are they flexible in approach and able to adapt to different challenges?
Are they exciting to watch?

For me Southgate is a one trick pony when it comes to setting up his team. Inflexible in thought irrespective of the situation and boy does he have his favourites. He has been good in the past at the PR side and building squad morale which is a big thing. Its hard to argue that a semi and a final are achievements based on what has gone on before but my feeling is that with the squad he had they should have gone one step better.
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Get what you are saying - it’s not pretty to watch and I agree (although 3-3 Germany is not to be scoffed at)

But don’t you think that’s more of an international football issue rather than Southgate? Is there many countries that play free flowing great football ?

I’ve watched Brazil, Germany, Italy in recent years and most games are drab, slow, and they’ve also had similar poor results and performances

Can you point to the last time England played attacking good to watch football ? Many will point to Euro 96 as the last time (pre social media) and even then we were poor against Switzerland, Scotland and drew with Spain 0-0 only winning on penalties before being knocked out by Germany. It was only really 1 game against Holland we was great, but we look back at that tournament with so much nostalgia because it was probably the last time all England fans put club tribal rivalry behind and we just supported them.

Do you really believe if we got Pep or Poch or any number of ‘world class’ managers, England would turn into free flowing attacking great to watch football ?
I think it would be more or less what we see now, international football is simply not pretty. Players lack cohesion as they’re not used to playing together, it’s slow, it’s boring - bar the odd match here and there.

After Southgate, the next manager will face similar abuse and vitriol- I truly believe it will never change unfortunately and I wish it would - but no chance in todays social media world
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Where would you rank a team that’s been in a semi and a final in the last two major tournaments ?

Let’s not forget you watch ZERO football of any other nation and just glued to the doom and gloom England match-day forum when we do play so you’re going to be negatively biased against your own country before we even kick a ball

We’ve shown how far we can go in major tournaments, we have a class bunch of young lads and if Southgate can repeat the cohesion and togetherness he did last tournaments then we’ll go far - but let’s also not forget , it’s a knockout competition and even the best clubs (like City in the Champions League) don’t win it, takes luck aswell as everything else

bring it on I say
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Italy won the euros…. Next tournament they couldn’t even qualify. It has no bearing on it at all.

Southgate is far too negative, picks players out of form who can’t even get games for their clubs, shoehorned them into a formation only 1/2 play at club level and in positions they don’t play and then we wonder why we’re shit.

Not rocket science this mate, manager is totally out of his depth. Nice guy, great, but he’s utterly clueless.
 
Maguire, Sterling and kane are awful. Maguire easily the worst and can not go to the world cup. He was responsible for two German goals last night.

Sterling just seems to be getting worse game by game.

Kane when was the last time he played well ? Seems to be getting more and more selfish each game.

I still cant workout how England got 3 goals lol. It seemed once southgate made the subs the team just did as they wanted, could really see a shape.

I dont think England's 'style' foden sadly

But as I dont really watch international games perhaps England arent that bad. Unfair to judge them on most premier league teams.

I though Italy and Germany werent good.
 
inchy14 said:
And if we don’t get out of the group….
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I’ve called for Southgate to go after the WC however bad or good we do, 3 tournaments is long enough at International level and I agree with many of the comments aimed at him regards tactics, player selections etc

I still think he deserves this WC based on last 2 tournaments and am optimistic with this squad we have for the WC, just a shame no one else is!
 
Maguire will be on the plane, so will the usual suspects. Selfish of me to say but if the city lads don’t go, that’s ok.

It would be a time to rest and recharge batteries for the rest of the season.
 
BM96 said:
I agree with pretty much all of this and he has underwhelmed massively for England, but not as if Saka or Mount were pulling up trees for England either.

I would like to point out though. The original comment didn't mention formation, or playing players in there favored position or even play players inform for England.

It said play the best players and you look miles better. So that is still saying Mount and Saka are better players than him, I personally would disagree with that.
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We’ve seen this all before re Foden (& Sterling/the other winger) - waistcoat sets up a really poor, negative, disjointed team and system with Foden one of 3 lone attackers against a decent team from the start.

England play very badly, Foden totally isolated and nullified when he has the ball.

Second half, 65 mins Foden gets the hook replaced by Saka or Mount. Against tiring legs and with England players finally throwing themselves forward up the pitch (as they’ve realised their ‘game plan’ hasn’t worked), Saka/Mount have more options and they manage to make something happen or get a goal.

Next game, Foden left out while Saka/Mount get the start. Yet they struggle because of the same poor waistcoat setup, and people realise Saka isn’t the second coming.

Then a few games later, repeat the cycle with Foden getting another go.

All the while the common denominator is Southgate’s really bad team setup and formation that doesn’t get the best out of any England players.
 
Maguire starts in Qatar unfortuneatly, there's no way that stubborn fucker changes things especially now
 
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