Ethiopian airline crash

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Apparently more people are killed each year by vending machines than plane crashes......no concellation I know.

I agree. Seen several fat fuckers at the gym scoffing all they can from a vending machine before going into cardiac arrest.

 

[es1]

I am not a keen flyer by any means, every jolt and bump makes me nervous. That said I put myself through the anxiety as the rewards (traveling to places I'd never get to) are worth it!

Now to sleep before I fly home from Rome in the morning...

 

[PragueBlue]

I am not a keen flyer by any means, every jolt and bump makes me nervous. That said I put myself through the anxiety as the rewards (traveling to places I'd never get to) are worth it!

Now to sleep before I fly home from Rome in the morning...

I manage without flying as much as I can these days. I use trains and boats wherever possible and have been pretty much everywhere I have wanted to go.

This year will be France and Italy by train. Next year the States by boat. I will fly if absolutely necessary but hate every minute of it and it has a negative impact on my holiday. So if there's an alternative to flying, I will take it.

I know it's not rational and it never used to bother me but it's just the way I feel nowadays.

 

[Gabriel]

The nationalities of the deceased show how international the flight was, and one would imagine many talented people doing good work are among those being mourned. Tragic loss of all lives.

 

[cleavers]

I used to say that too; I had a terrible fear and never thought I'd ever fly. Aged 51 I managed it for the first time. Just as well I did as my son and granddaughter now live in the Czech Republic and I've managed two trips now. On my own! ;-) Plus I've visited other countries that I never dreamed of seeing.
It was the fear of the unknown at first. I'll never be comfortable with it but it's certainly broadened my horizons.

Good that you got through the fear, it really is very safe.

The issue is, when there is a crash it usually affects a large number, but the reality is there are very few incidents, compared to the number of flights per day.

 

[cleavers]

The nationalities of the deceased show how international the flight was, and one would imagine many talented people doing good work are among those being mourned. Tragic loss of all lives.

True, a real global incident looking at the countries the victims came from.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I seem to remember that our resident Captain Oveur, aka @ChicagoBlue , flies this particular aircraft now. Perhaps he may be able to give us some further information on this latest tragedy?

RIP to all involved.

Unfortunately, I only know what the media has said, and we will not know more until the CVR/DFDR are analyzed and the initial findings are published.

I haven’t looked at FlightAware yet, but that might give us some idea, as it will have speed and altitudes from takeoff to crash, which was short and similar in length to Lion Air. I have heard (speculation alert!) the aircraft had been written up as having engine problems, but that shouldn’t cause a crash.

One thing is for certain, if it is MCAS again, that is going to be an even more expensive crash, and the system MUST be disabled by an Emergency Airworthiness Directive.

 

[manchester blue]

I manage without flying as much as I can these days. I use trains and boats wherever possible and have been pretty much everywhere I have wanted to go.

This year will be France and Italy by train. Next year the States by boat. I will fly if absolutely necessary but hate every minute of it and it has a negative impact on my holiday. So if there's an alternative to flying, I will take it.

I know it's not rational and it never used to bother me but it's just the way I feel nowadays.

I could have written this including this year's holiday itinerary for us. I've also looked at Southampton to NY, though just the return leg after flying there, though my wife would prefer to sail into NY taking the route her great grandmother took many years ago. I'd sooner get it over and enjoy the rest of the trip than have it on my mind.

 

[DrBlueBob]

And plenty are glad that their loved ones don’t have the same mindset and get to see them more often.

The only person that you harm is yourself, there’s a huge, beautiful, interesting and awe inspiring world out there and you’re gonna miss it.

You’ve more chance of dying in a house fire in your sleep or falling and killing yourself on the stairs let alone driving or walking to and from work than you are to die in a plane crash. The odds are 16m to 1. That’s less than the chance of being struck by lightening and you’re more likely to win the lottery.

There were 3,000,000,000 (that’s 3 billion) commercial flight journeys in 2017 and not a single death. That made flying, statistically, the safest thing you could have been doing. Safer than football or fishing or crown green bowls. Over the same time, and despite only having 75m inhabitants, 2,000 died on the roads in the UK.

You’re not afraid of driving or being a passenger as not each and every death makes headline news.

Whilst I agree with sentiment of flying being extremely safe, if the odds of dying in a plane crash are 16m to 1 then sadly you are roughly three times as likely to die in that manner as to scoop the UK lottery jackpot. You are working to the old "easy to win" odds before they increased the numbers you could choose. A tax on the bad at maths.
RIP to all who perished.

 

[SWP's back]

I manage without flying as much as I can these days. I use trains and boats wherever possible and have been pretty much everywhere I have wanted to go.

This year will be France and Italy by train. Next year the States by boat. I will fly if absolutely necessary but hate every minute of it and it has a negative impact on my holiday. So if there's an alternative to flying, I will take it.

I know it's not rational and it never used to bother me but it's just the way I feel nowadays.

Good job boats never sink then