Ethiopian airline crash

ChicagoBlue said:
Unfortunately, I only know what the media has said, and we will not know more until the CVR/DFDR are analyzed and the initial findings are published.

I haven’t looked at FlightAware yet, but that might give us some idea, as it will have speed and altitudes from takeoff to crash, which was short and similar in length to Lion Air. I have heard (speculation alert!) the aircraft had been written up as having engine problems, but that shouldn’t cause a crash.

One thing is for certain, if it is MCAS again, that is going to be an even more expensive crash, and the system MUST be disabled by an Emergency Airworthiness Directive.
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Thanks for that.

Be careful out there!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Unfortunately, I only know what the media has said, and we will not know more until the CVR/DFDR are analyzed and the initial findings are published.

I haven’t looked at FlightAware yet, but that might give us some idea, as it will have speed and altitudes from takeoff to crash, which was short and similar in length to Lion Air. I have heard (speculation alert!) the aircraft had been written up as having engine problems, but that shouldn’t cause a crash.

One thing is for certain, if it is MCAS again, that is going to be an even more expensive crash, and the system MUST be disabled by an Emergency Airworthiness Directive.
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With the Lionair crash there were reports of AOA (vertical speed) readout failure which in good weather suggests the AOA probes or the software interpretating the data is suspect. The MCAS reads this data and decides the output so clearly that link is also suspect as is the pilots subsequent response.

Both happened at takeoff and both were in normal weather and the same normal conditions that happen with hundreds of these aircraft every single day. I haven't read of any control issues involving the MAX but these two.

This is more a case of why has it happened twice in what is a very common scenario. If it was definitely the MCAS for example then you would expect to reproduce the same issue and the aircraft would be grounded until it was fixed.

Obviously they may both prove to be unrelated or even the crashes happened because of completely different causes but who knows.
 
DrBlueBob said:
Whilst I agree with sentiment of flying being extremely safe, if the odds of dying in a plane crash are 16m to 1 then sadly you are roughly three times as likely to die in that manner as to scoop the UK lottery jackpot. You are working to the old "easy to win" odds before they increased the numbers you could choose. A tax on the bad at maths.
RIP to all who perished.
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Ah I’ve been away for so long and not played it in over seven years so wasn’t aware they’d added a ball. The bastards.
 
SWP's back said:
And plenty are glad that their loved ones don’t have the same mindset and get to see them more often.

The only person that you harm is yourself, there’s a huge, beautiful, interesting and awe inspiring world out there and you’re gonna miss it.

You’ve more chance of dying in a house fire in your sleep or falling and killing yourself on the stairs let alone driving or walking to and from work than you are to die in a plane crash. The odds are 16m to 1. That’s less than the chance of being struck by lightening and you’re more likely to win the lottery.

There were 3,000,000,000 (that’s 3 billion) commercial flight journeys in 2017 and not a single death. That made flying, statistically, the safest thing you could have been doing. Safer than football or fishing or crown green bowls. Over the same time, and despite only having 75m inhabitants, 2,000 died on the roads in the UK.

You’re not afraid of driving or being a passenger as not each and every death makes headline news.
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Bollocks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft#2017

Even if there were none it still wouldn't be safer than crown green bowls. Sure people may have died while playing crown green bowls - heart attacks, aneurysms etc - but that's more to do with the demographic taking part. You're not telling me that no-one died on a plane, getting on or off a plane, air side in an airport anywhere in the world in 2017 from whatever cause? Flat green bowling though - fuck me, the death rate's higher than Rollerball!
 
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