Ethiopian airline crash

[Two Gun Bob]

TUI and Ryanair in our neck of the woods.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I’m off in a week and am out Ryanair back Thomas Cook.
Good to know Ryanair aren’t flying the new jet until April.

 

[East Level 2]

Good job boats never sink then

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[Grassland Blue]

Bollocks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft#2017

Even if there were none it still wouldn't be safer than crown green bowls. Sure people may have died while playing crown green bowls - heart attacks, aneurysms etc - but that's more to do with the demographic taking part. You're not telling me that no-one died on a plane, getting on or off a plane, air side in an airport anywhere in the world in 2017 from whatever cause? Flat green bowling though - fuck me, the death rate's higher than Rollerball!

Crown green bowls is not a form of travel. ....

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Everything you wanted to know about the MCAS is in this article.

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-...aracteristics-augmentation-system-mcas-jt610/

An excerpt:

“When Boeing set out to develop the 737 Max, engineers had to find a way to fit a much larger and more-fuel efficient engine under the wing of the single-aisle jet’s notoriously low-riding landing gear. By moving the engine slightly forward and higher up and extending the nose landing gear by eight inches, Boeing eked another 14% improvement in fuel consumption out of the continually tweaked airliner.

That changed, ever so slightly, how the jet handled in certain situations. The relocated engines and their refined nacelle shape1 caused an upward pitching moment — in essence, the Max’s nose was getting nudged skyward. Boeing quietly added a new system “to compensate for some unique aircraft handling characteristics during it’s (sic) Part 25 certification” and help pilots bring the nose down in the event the jet’s angle of attack drifted too high when flying manually, putting the aircraft at risk of stalling, according to a series of questions and answers provided to pilots at Southwest Airlines”

I definitely wouldn’t AVOID flying a MAX solely because of this, as it is disconnectable with the STAB TRIM CUTOFF switches, as was made clear after Lion Air. Whether this crash was due to that, albeit in similar circumstances remains to be seen. However, if it wasn’t this system, then having two crashes for unrelated issues isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of the changes they made, either.

I’m sure that with as much pressure is on Boeing, they will manage to pin this on the dead Captain and save Boeing BILLIONS OF DOLLARS!

 

[Barcon]

I read that China have grounded them. Not sure if that's old news or not.

 

[west didsblue]

Everything you wanted to know about the MCAS is in this article.

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-...aracteristics-augmentation-system-mcas-jt610/

An excerpt:

“When Boeing set out to develop the 737 Max, engineers had to find a way to fit a much larger and more-fuel efficient engine under the wing of the single-aisle jet’s notoriously low-riding landing gear. By moving the engine slightly forward and higher up and extending the nose landing gear by eight inches, Boeing eked another 14% improvement in fuel consumption out of the continually tweaked airliner.

That changed, ever so slightly, how the jet handled in certain situations. The relocated engines and their refined nacelle shape1 caused an upward pitching moment — in essence, the Max’s nose was getting nudged skyward. Boeing quietly added a new system “to compensate for some unique aircraft handling characteristics during it’s (sic) Part 25 certification” and help pilots bring the nose down in the event the jet’s angle of attack drifted too high when flying manually, putting the aircraft at risk of stalling, according to a series of questions and answers provided to pilots at Southwest Airlines”

I definitely wouldn’t AVOID flying a MAX solely because of this, as it is disconnectable with the STAB TRIM CUTOFF switches, as was made clear after Lion Air. Whether this crash was due to that, albeit in similar circumstances remains to be seen. However, if it wasn’t this system, then having two crashes for unrelated issues isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of the changes they made, either.

I’m sure that with as much pressure is on Boeing, they will manage to pin this on the dead Captain and save Boeing BILLIONS OF DOLLARS!

I’m not one to overreact to these accidents but in this case if Boeing and the FAA are not mandating a grounding of the aircraft, aviation authorities around the world, including our CAA, should be doing so until there are some concrete reassurances that there isn’t a common problem across the type. You can be sure that if it was an Airbus, the FAA would have grounded all US operated ones. I’ve seen similar situations where an aircraft type is grounded until the problem is identified. Seems like that’s not happening for commercial reasons in this case.

 

[worsleyweb]

Just has the worst flying experience of my life today. Absolutely horrendous and truly scary turbulence flying into nice. Landing aborted just as he was about to touch down. Nice airport then closed due to high winds and then landing in Genoa and then having another go which was equally horrific two hours later. Turbulence coming over the mountains was by far the worst I have ever encountered and went on almost solidly for twenty minutes. The air hostess said it was the worst flight she has been on. Genuinely think I am getting the train back. Still in a bit of shock - was saying my prayers thinking I was a goner earlier today. Horrendous and I am still shaking.

 

[cleavers]

I read that China have grounded them. Not sure if that's old news or not.

China have grounded all three airlines flying them.

 

[flyer]

Do any of jet2 or TUI fly these max8's?

Most Jet2 planes are ancient. You pays your money and takes your choice