Etihad Atmosphere - 2022/23

EastMidlandsBlue said:
Was quite excited to see Arsenal's "Ultras" today as my Arsenal mate ensured me that they've really improved the atmosphere. Turns out theres only about 20 people in this group, we couldn't hear them singing even though they're right next to the away end. But you could hear the bastard drum, did my fucking head in.

My point is today was the biggest deterrent ever to not try and start an Ultra movement at City. I would say Arsenal's Atmosphere is lightyears ahead of where it was, but I really don't think this group of 20 kids is the reason for that like a lot of Arsenal fans would have you believe. It was most telling when the whole ground erupted into "we've got super mick arteta", and the Ultra lot just kept singing their own Allez allez allez song by themselves, which meant the loud drum was also out of time with the rest of the ground.

I always admire the passion of european ultras and definitely think there are certain aspects from them which we could take to improve things, but if we just try and copy them we'll end up looking stupid like arsenal do.
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Well said, good post.

I’ve noticed that about the Emirates. Arsenal’s atmosphere comes from the other end of the ground to the ‘Ultras’ (cringe) and all the rest of the ground join in with that end rather than with the ‘Ultras’ who just sing their own songs completely detached from the rest of the Arsenal crowd’s atmosphere.

I’ve noticed how Arsenal’s atmosphere up that other end comes from the entire first tier who stand up right across the tier (a bit like ours 109-119 would be without any away fans. It’s almost like proper Gooners have thought ‘fuck having these Gervaises taking over our atmosphere with their cringeworthy shit, we’re going to completely out-sing them up the other end’… and they do.

Around Europe, Ultras are generally noisy but they have no individuality and can be extremely boring and monotonous. It’s always the same songs and drum beat from Lisbon to Kazan.

We have something special in England where we’re different to everywhere else. Our atmospheres are unique to European football. We should be dearly holding on to that instead of this ridiculous impressionable copying people are trying to bring in in England. We’ve got our own style and aren’t just a bunch of copycats who can’t think for ourselves. While we aren’t as consistent, we have much better sounding atmospheres at our best to that same shit drum beat and the same shit ‘woah woah woah allez allez allez ooooh ooooh aaaahh’ rubbish.

At City, we need to forget about the Ultras scene and enhance our atmosphere without the thought of Ultras in our heads whatsoever. We need to keep the Englishness to our atmosphere. The best atmospheres in the country last weekend were City and Leeds, neither had any sort of Ultras style in their atmospheres.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
Well said, good post.

I’ve noticed that about the Emirates. Arsenal’s atmosphere comes from the other end of the ground to the ‘Ultras’ (cringe) and all the rest of the ground join in with that end rather than with the ‘Ultras’ who just sing their own songs completely detached from the rest of the Arsenal crowd’s atmosphere.

I’ve noticed how Arsenal’s atmosphere up that other end comes from the entire first tier who stand up right across the tier (a bit like ours 109-119 would be without any away fans. It’s almost like proper Gooners have thought ‘fuck having these Gervaises taking over our atmjoshere with their cringeworthy shit, we’re going to completely out-sing them up the other end’… and they do.

Around Europe, Ultras are generally noisy but they have no individuality and can be extremely boring and monotonous. It’s always the same songs and drum beat from Lisbon to Kazan.

We have something special in England where we’re different to everywhere else. Our atmospheres are unique to European football. We should be dearly holding on to that instead of this ridiculous impressionable copying people are trying to bring in in England. We’ve got our own style and aren’t just a bunch of copycats who can’t think for ourselves. While we aren’t as consistent, we have much better sounding atmospheres at our best to that same shit drum beat and the same shit ‘woah woah woah allez allez allez ooooh ooooh aaaahh’ rubbish.

At City, we need to forget about the Ultras scene and enhance our atmosphere without the thought of Ultras in our heads whatsoever. We need to keep the Englishness to our atmosphere. The best atmospheres in the country last weekend were City and Leeds, neither had any sort of Ultras style in their atmospheres.
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Tbf most of the ones we've seen come to etihad have been annoying as out.but been a few games with City and vice versa as a neutral around Europe and just feel the match experience is much more fun than it is in the English game especially with the Quality of our football in England you would think we'll be one of the best but atmosphere in English football is miles behind rest of Europe right now even if our way is more natural as such. If I had my own choice to be like any supporter it would be the South Americans they are just crazy and loud no matter what
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
I’ve noticed that about the Emirates. Arsenal’s atmosphere comes from the other end of the ground to the ‘Ultras’ (cringe) and all the rest of the ground join in with that end rather than with the ‘Ultras’ who just sing their own songs completely detached from the rest of the Arsenal crowd’s atmosphere.
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Been to a few euro away days, and you often find that the more hardcore the Ultras are the more detached they are from everyone else.

Zagreb have insane ultras, but 90% of that crowd was sat in silence the whole game.
We all look at dortmund in awe, but in reality they have about 2,000 ultras in the middle of their wall and the rest of the ground is silent for the most part.

Whilst it is impressive to see the Ultras going at it none stop all game, it doesn't come close to the feeling you get when Bluemoon is booming around the stadium from all four stands.


Note: I don't include copenhagen and atalanta in this who were absolutely fantastic when we played them.
 
How many established clubs in the Premier League or Championship have a true ultras core? It’s not many.

One huge singing area behind the goal would be a great start to encourage a positive atmosphere at every home match.
 
mancityvstoke said:
A bit like the south stand then?
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Kind of but move the away fans and have the full end. I'm not sure how many times us fans need to "bang this drum" before they realise this is what we want rather than a fucking Camelot theme park firework type display and the corporate version of Bluemoon.
 
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MCFC Wirral said:
How many established clubs in the Premier League or Championship have a true ultras core? It’s not many.

One huge singing area behind the goal would be a great start to encourage a positive atmosphere at every home match.
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FA Cup weekend epitomised it. It was the likes of Accrington Stanley and Wrexham who had the Ultras style atmospheres.

We’re a lot cooler than Europeans in this country. It’s why we have a better music scene than Europe does. They come out with shite like Scooter while we have The Beatles and I feel like the differences in our atmospheres are the same, their Ultras atmospheres are just like Scooter songs:



There are big booming banging drum beats, a lot of jumping up and down, a lot of noise and shouting but it’s fucking well annoying!
 
EastMidlandsBlue said:
Yeah the current form will definitely be getting them up for it, especially in games like last night.

I disagree about their ultras group helping when atmosphere is poor though, there really are only about 20-30 of them and no one around them joins in. I wasn't exaggerating either when I said you literally couldn't hear them from the away end, just the bloody drum.

For something like that, surely you need at least a few hundred like minded people to actually make a difference
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To be fair, none of us really know what it's like in some of their lesser games though. I've seen comments online that they have added something to the atmosphere at the Emirates but on the flip side you're absolutely correct that they didn't really add anything the other night and most of the atmosphere was coming from other areas of the ground. That's in contrast to Palace for example where most of the atmosphere starts from their Ultras section and spreads round the stadium.
 
EastMidlandsBlue said:
Been to a few euro away days, and you often find that the more hardcore the Ultras are the more detached they are from everyone else.

Zagreb have insane ultras, but 90% of that crowd was sat in silence the whole game.
We all look at dortmund in awe, but in reality they have about 2,000 ultras in the middle of their wall and the rest of the ground is silent for the most part.

Whilst it is impressive to see the Ultras going at it none stop all game, it doesn't come close to the feeling you get when Bluemoon is booming around the stadium from all four stands.


Note: I don't include copenhagen and atalanta in this who were absolutely fantastic when we played them.
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Yeah, it's unfair to tar all Ultras groups across Europe with the same brush. Some are boring and monotonous and some aren't. Copenhagen were superb when we played them at theirs and I agree that Dortmund are overrated. The Yellow Wall is a magnificent sight but there are other German clubs who arguably have better atmospheres. In Pep's first season, we played Gladbach away and needed a draw to qualify for the last 16. We got the draw which at the same time knocked Gladbach out. In the dying minutes of the game when City were playing keep ball and they pretty much knew they were going out, the whole stadium spontaneously broke into song and it was bouncing. Schalke and Hamburg are other grounds I've been to where it's been as good as, if not better, than Dortmund.
 
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