Etihad atmosphere

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Don't know about Cheadle Hulme mate...but it's happening in the post codes immediately
Around the centre. Lots of manc flight going on. City centre boozers at weekends are rammed with yonners. ..I blame the metrolink. ..

thats always happened though, my mums from levenshulme, near enough every one, from where she grew up has left and a lot of international people have moved in. There is a lot of manc flight, but thats because a lot of manchester is very run down and people become more affluent and move out, just like my parents did. the majority of manchester is mancunian as its ever been though. if you wanna blame yonners go to didsbury :)

 

[manctheknife]

thats always happened though, my mums from levenshulme, near enough every one, from where she grew up has left and a lot of international people have moved in. There is a lot of manc flight, but thats because a lot of manchester is very run down and people become more affluent and move out, just like my parents did. the majority of manchester is mancunian as its ever been though. if you wanna blame yonners go to didsbury :)

Could be right. Strangely enough though, my office is now about 10 percent manc....20 years ago would have been about 90.?...and didsbury is practically a suburb of North London these days no?

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Could be right. Strangely enough though, my office is now about 10 percent manc....20 years ago would have been about 90.?...and didsbury is practically a suburb of North London these days no?

i think thats the case in most business's now. there are Londoners moving into didsbury, but its always sorta been like that - i.e. the more affluent area. i have friends who lived there their whole lives, they dont sound mancunian at all. i think it will always change and i think people from wealthier areas are wanting to move back into the city now anyway.

the areas immediately around the city centre, like rusholme, cheetham hill, hulme, fallow field, id say most people are international/students anyway. if you go out in some of those places on a friday night to the sisha bars, a lot of people dont even speak english never mind manc ;)

 

[MaineRoad9]

As someone who spends perhaps an inordinate amount of time worrying about this very issue (at City, and a hundred other venues), I will tell you that it is very, very, very hard to raise hell in a building that is not well suited to it. Yes, the worst building can rock for a match or a half, but I think it is incorrect to assume that "if we just did that all the time, things would be fine." It's not that simple. I don't know what to think when I see people say that Everton, or Palace or Spurs seem to be able to pull it off. Yeah, no kidding; they play in ancient, landlocked bandboxes - in some cases with stands than were constructed under building codes which haven't existed since Dusty Springfield was topping the charts. I'll bet WHL could fit 3-times over, or more, into the space colony THFC are erecting next door. It will be interesting to see what Spurs come up with in this regard, as they are very conscious of what they perceive to be the mistakes that other clubs - generally Arsenal and City - made with their new grounds. [Now, in fairness, the Arse got to build theirs, so they actually made mistakes; City just inherited theirs.] It pains me to say, but I don't think there's much that can be done - absent, perhaps some radical re-engineering - to make COMS a significantly more atmospheric ground. Actually, to put it another way, I don't think minor tweaks here and there are going to matter much. What it will take is a commitment from the Club that 1) this is an issue of real importance, and 2) that it will endeavor to look for any way, within reason, that the general atmosphere can be raised in a building that will fight it at every turn. I don't think it would be out of line to have someone at the executive level in charge of precisely this (not of the "matchday experience," which I always assume has more to do with making sure there's enough sushi on the club levels or that kids can have their picture taken with Moonchester, or some such). There are a lot of good ideas in this thread. There are a lot of ideas that strike me as less good, but what the hell; I'm game to try pretty much anything. I hope someone at the Club takes the time to read it.

 

[jrb]

The problem is, City fans no longer have access to the board members at City. How can you tell them, not that they can't hear a pin drop themselves on matchdays, when there are numerous levels of management at City before you get anywhere nearl the guys that really matter. And even then because they come from different countries, they may not understand 'our need'( let alone Pep's and the players need) to improve the atmosphere at the Etihad.

There were numerous other radical things that could have been done to improve the atmosphere at City, but the club stopped at making 115 a singing section, and then filled it with fans who have little or no desire to sing. Pointless.

And if you think it's easy to get your ideas and suggestions about improving the atmosphere at the Etihad up the command chain at City, think again.

And let's be honest, can you really see Khaldoon and/or Soriano reading this thread, taking down ideas and suggestions by the fans, and implementing them next season? Not a chance! They are more interested in new money making revenues like the Tunnel Club and new sponsorship deals.

How can I put it. Flogging a dead horse. Pissing in the wind. Wasting our time. Etc.

And the way Showsec are currently being used by the club to subdue the fans is the only indicator you need to know.

 

[MaineRoad9]

I hope this image shows up right when I post. If so, it is a photo of old Comisky Park in Chicago, and what was then called New Comisky Park (now U.S. Cellular Field, I think). The punch line of this image is that the ballpark on the left held about 2,400 more people than the one on the right. And, recall, we never had terraces in the US (I have no idea why, but we just didn't), so it's not like we're talking about losing capacity as a result of redeveloping the Holte End or the Kop. Nope, we're just talking about a structure that is exponentially larger that is designed to told, more or less, the same number of people. Indeed, Old Comisky looks like a scale model compared to its new neighbor (there's a photo from the redevelopment of Molineux that is similar; couldn't find it this morning). Now, I assume most of you have never been to Chicago (and if you have, you probably didn't venture to the South Side of it), and , thus, have never been in either of these ballparks. That said, which do you suspect was the more, um, atmospheric? What could you do to recreate in the new stadium the energy of the old one? The answer, of course, is nothing (aside perhaps from offering free tequilla and having Radiohead playing in the outfield). This is why a fear that COMS basically is what it is, absent some radical thinking and/or structural redesign (which, oddly, is what did take place with US Cellular Field after it opened and everyone hated it; it's better now, but it too is what it is).
For those of you who are fans of urban blight (and who isn't, really?), the buildings across the Dan Ryan Expressway from the new ballpark were perhaps the most infamous public housing projects in the whole US, the Robert Taylor Homes, which housed 22,000 residents. They were torn down a decade or so ago. While the Cabrini-Green projects may have been more famous, they were much smaller, and were in a much, much nicer neighborhood. They, too, are gone, at least for the most part. It would not surprise me if the incredible spike in the murder rate that Chicago has seen over the past few years is due, at least in part, to the fact that all of those people got scattered around the city.

 

[half & half derby scarf]

As someone who spends perhaps an inordinate amount of time worrying about this very issue (at City, and a hundred other venues), I will tell you that it is very, very, very hard to raise hell in a building that is not well suited to it. Yes, the worst building can rock for a match or a half, but I think it is incorrect to assume that "if we just did that all the time, things would be fine." It's not that simple. I don't know what to think when I see people say that Everton, or Palace or Spurs seem to be able to pull it off. Yeah, no kidding; they play in ancient, landlocked bandboxes - in some cases with stands than were constructed under building codes which haven't existed since Dusty Springfield was topping the charts. I'll bet WHL could fit 3-times over, or more, into the space colony THFC are erecting next door. It will be interesting to see what Spurs come up with in this regard, as they are very conscious of what they perceive to be the mistakes that other clubs - generally Arsenal and City - made with their new grounds. [Now, in fairness, the Arse got to build theirs, so they actually made mistakes; City just inherited theirs.] It pains me to say, but I don't think there's much that can be done - absent, perhaps some radical re-engineering - to make COMS a significantly more atmospheric ground. Actually, to put it another way, I don't think minor tweaks here and there are going to matter much. What it will take is a commitment from the Club that 1) this is an issue of real importance, and 2) that it will endeavor to look for any way, within reason, that the general atmosphere can be raised in a building that will fight it at every turn. I don't think it would be out of line to have someone at the executive level in charge of precisely this (not of the "matchday experience," which I always assume has more to do with making sure there's enough sushi on the club levels or that kids can have their picture taken with Moonchester, or some such). There are a lot of good ideas in this thread. There are a lot of ideas that strike me as less good, but what the hell; I'm game to try pretty much anything. I hope someone at the Club takes the time to read it.

Pretty much spot on. Contrary to the belief that we only get excited and make noise at big games, the atmosphere at the Bournemouth game (certainly in SS3) was absolutely rocking.
When we got back to the car we heard Paul Lake on BBC Manchester saying how quiet it was. I couldn't believe it so can only assume the ground design must be a big factor.
Given that we already know the Barca boys couldn't give a flying f**k about the fans, the Showsec directive and selfie stick tourists - we are up against it.

 

[The-Dogs-Pollocks]

As someone who spends perhaps an inordinate amount of time worrying about this very issue (at City, and a hundred other venues), I will tell you that it is very, very, very hard to raise hell in a building that is not well suited to it. Yes, the worst building can rock for a match or a half, but I think it is incorrect to assume that "if we just did that all the time, things would be fine." It's not that simple. I don't know what to think when I see people say that Everton, or Palace or Spurs seem to be able to pull it off. Yeah, no kidding; they play in ancient, landlocked bandboxes - in some cases with stands than were constructed under building codes which haven't existed since Dusty Springfield was topping the charts. I'll bet WHL could fit 3-times over, or more, into the space colony THFC are erecting next door. It will be interesting to see what Spurs come up with in this regard, as they are very conscious of what they perceive to be the mistakes that other clubs - generally Arsenal and City - made with their new grounds. [Now, in fairness, the Arse got to build theirs, so they actually made mistakes; City just inherited theirs.] It pains me to say, but I don't think there's much that can be done - absent, perhaps some radical re-engineering - to make COMS a significantly more atmospheric ground. Actually, to put it another way, I don't think minor tweaks here and there are going to matter much. What it will take is a commitment from the Club that 1) this is an issue of real importance, and 2) that it will endeavor to look for any way, within reason, that the general atmosphere can be raised in a building that will fight it at every turn. I don't think it would be out of line to have someone at the executive level in charge of precisely this (not of the "matchday experience," which I always assume has more to do with making sure there's enough sushi on the club levels or that kids can have their picture taken with Moonchester, or some such). There are a lot of good ideas in this thread. There are a lot of ideas that strike me as less good, but what the hell; I'm game to try pretty much anything. I hope someone at the Club takes the time to read it.

Seem to remember zenith and rangers made quite a lot of noise. Also it was rocking for city vs Hamburg. And we have had some good atmospheres in other games vs rags etc since we moved. Its nowt to do with the ground. It's the boring gist that sit in the seats that are the problem.

If the club get together with the a fan group (we could organise it on here) and help move all those who want an atmosphere to the south stand bottom tier. Next to the away fans. The atmosphere will sort itself out. Only needs a few hundred people willing to sing constantly. For it to filter through to the next few and the next few and before you know it - The bell ends standing to attention!

 

[bugsyblue]

Seem to remember zenith and rangers made quite a lot of noise. Also it was rocking for city vs Hamburg. And we have had some good atmospheres in other games vs rags etc since we moved. Its nowt to do with the ground. It's the boring gist that sit in the seats that are the problem.

If the club get together with the a fan group (we could organise it on here) and help move all those who want an atmosphere to the south stand bottom tier. Next to the away fans. The atmosphere will sort itself out. Only needs a few hundred people willing to sing constantly. For it to filter through to the next few and the next few and before you know it - The bell ends standing to attention!

Three best city atmosphere experiences of my life; city at Wembley in 99, final moments of 'that match' when Aguero scored and city v Hamburg. Stadium structure wasn't an issue for any of those games.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

We sat in what is now the family stand all ways full die hard blues , great atmosphere then we were told we had move watch the old footage of the Hamburg & arsenal games the south stand and the north stand (now family on holidays stand) were bouncing where have all those fans gone?

I know three lads who'd sat next to each other at that end and the old Platt Lane for a number of years too.

They were moved out to accommodate the Family Stand and told they couldn't be sat with each other as a three anywhere. Two of the lads sacked it off after that, one now sits on his own in CBL3.