Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[BlueTG]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

While I'm on the subject of impressive, I cam across this.

The new Atlanta Falcons stadium with retractable roof.

New Images Released

Design Concepts: June 26, 2014

With the ground broken on the new stadium site just over a month ago, the Falcons released nine new images of the iconic facility. Highlights of this design release include detailed views of the plazas and entryways just outside the stadium.

Click to enlarge.

If you're interested, click on the link for more renders and information?

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<a class="postlink" href="http://newstadium.atlantafalcons.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://newstadium.atlantafalcons.com/</a>

That is a beautifully conceived stadium.

Inside the stadia is very impressive, outside looks atrocious.

 

[SilverFox2]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

Considering ADUG are an investment Group and are constructing to invest I have often thought that the changing of an existing Stadium is not necessarily the best way to invest even though Event income supplements are currently a welcome revenue stream (for FFP purposes).

Perhaps splitting these two functions into two individual venues may, in time, make sense.

Is a new Stadium completely out of the question ?

This has been discussed on the thread before, and on its predecessor. Not being arsey, though, because new people come on all the time and can't be expected to be aware of that.

I'm led to believe that they looked seriously at the possibility of a new stadium in 2009, with an 80K venue on the land where the north car parks currently are being the favoured option. The problem was that Sport England intimated that we wouldn't be allowed to knock down the existing stadium even if we offered to build a new one in its place. City looked at the viability of keeping the existing stadium for rugby/athletics/concerts (possibly taking out the bottom tier and reducing capacity to 30K).

I thought that would have been great, with MCFC occupying a stunning new state-of-the-art venue. However, ADUG apparently felt that it wasn't financially viable, by which I suspect that they mean the land could be put to other, more profitable use.

They've now embarked on a major upgrade that will take capacity up by nearly 15,000 in the next three years (if we start the North Stand immediately after the South is done, then we're presumably looking at the 62K-ish for season 2017/8). My guess is that this confirms we're sticking with this stadium for the foreseeable future. Pity, as I'd have loved to see what kind of new stadium ADUG would have built.

EDIT - Not that I'm complaining. Not at all. Fantastic times we have now.

Many thanks for your patient explanation.
As you say my newness to the Forum will show from time to time. Incidentally, I have yet to see a Forum where every post is unique in its slant of topic / content.

However, whilst I appreciate this is an Etihad thread, would a second Venue be a possibility (say an O2 type). ?
I repeat that ADUG are an investment group so I am not getting 'carried away', ie the potential of such a project is not exclusively concerned with MCFC and its Stadium.

 

[fbloke]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

Considering ADUG are an investment Group and are constructing to invest I have often thought that the changing of an existing Stadium is not necessarily the best way to invest even though Event income supplements are currently a welcome revenue stream (for FFP purposes).

Perhaps splitting these two functions into two individual venues may, in time, make sense.

Is a new Stadium completely out of the question ?

This has been discussed on the thread before, and on its predecessor. Not being arsey, though, because new people come on all the time and can't be expected to be aware of that.

I'm led to believe that they looked seriously at the possibility of a new stadium in 2009, with an 80K venue on the land where the north car parks currently are being the favoured option. The problem was that Sport England intimated that we wouldn't be allowed to knock down the existing stadium even if we offered to build a new one in its place. City looked at the viability of keeping the existing stadium for rugby/athletics/concerts (possibly taking out the bottom tier and reducing capacity to 30K).

I thought that would have been great, with MCFC occupying a stunning new state-of-the-art venue. However, ADUG apparently felt that it wasn't financially viable, by which I suspect that they mean the land could be put to other, more profitable use.

They've now embarked on a major upgrade that will take capacity up by nearly 15,000 in the next three years (if we start the North Stand immediately after the South is done, then we're presumably looking at the 62K-ish for season 2017/8). My guess is that this confirms we're sticking with this stadium for the foreseeable future. Pity, as I'd have loved to see what kind of new stadium ADUG would have built.

EDIT - Not that I'm complaining. Not at all. Fantastic times we have now.

Many thanks for your patient explanation.
As you say my newness to the Forum will show from time to time. Incidentally, I have yet to see a Forum where every post is unique in its slant of topic / content.

However, whilst I appreciate this is an Etihad thread, would a second Venue be a possibility (say an O2 type). ?
I repeat that ADUG are an investment group so I am not getting 'carried away', ie the potential of such a project is not exclusively concerned with MCFC and its Stadium.

I think you will find that an indoor arena (plus other elements of a visitor attraction) are indeed going to b found on the collar site.

 

[keith's curle]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

However, whilst I appreciate this is an Etihad thread, would a second Venue be a possibility (say an O2 type). ?
I repeat that ADUG are an investment group so I am not getting 'carried away', ie the potential of such a project is not exclusively concerned with MCFC and its Stadium.

Its certainly not a stupid question as its been asked before on this thread (more than once, I think). Not too far back was a discussion of Manchester's venues for concerts etc and a discussion of the chances of building a good venue on the collar site. I think the consensus was that there was a size range not catered for, but that the space on the collar site would be better used for other things. If you've nothing better to do you could try going back a bit and looking through it, it was worth a read. I think it was just before the Belle Vue revamp.

 

[Centurions]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

However, whilst I appreciate this is an Etihad thread, would a second Venue be a possibility (say an O2 type). ?
I repeat that ADUG are an investment group so I am not getting 'carried away', ie the potential of such a project is not exclusively concerned with MCFC and its Stadium.

Its certainly not a stupid question as its been asked before on this thread (more than once, I think). Not too far back was a discussion of Manchester's venues for concerts etc and a discussion of the chances of building a good venue on the collar site. I think the consensus was that there was a size range not catered for, but that the space on the collar site would be better used for other things. If you've nothing better to do you could try going back a bit and looking through it, it was worth a read. I think it was just before the Belle Vue revamp.

Also anything built on the collar site is probably going to be going through MCFC's books as income I'd have thought.

 

[petrusha]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

There's rumoured to be a smallish futsal arena nestled in by the canal. Also - and I'm not sure exactly where it will be sited, but somewhere either on the collar site or north car parks - there's likely to be an arena. Not, I don't think, a 20K facility to compete with or replace the Arena in town. (People keep suggesting this but it isn't going to happen). Think more in terms of a flexible venue that can be reconfigured to host conferences, indoor sports and concerts (the latter up to a capacity of maybe 6K or 7K) something along these lines: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.adnec.ae/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.adnec.ae/</a>

 

[SilverFox2]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

There's rumoured to be a smallish futsal arena nestled in by the canal. Also - and I'm not sure exactly where it will be sited, but somewhere either on the collar site or north car parks - there's likely to be an arena. Not, I don't think, a 20K facility to compete with or replace the Arena in town. (People keep suggesting this but it isn't going to happen). Think more in terms of a flexible venue that can be reconfigured to host conferences, indoor sports and concerts (the latter up to a capacity of maybe 6K or 7K) something along these lines: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.adnec.ae/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.adnec.ae/</a>

Not suggesting you are wrong but is this your informed opinion or just opinion ?

 

[petrusha]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

There's rumoured to be a smallish futsal arena nestled in by the canal. Also - and I'm not sure exactly where it will be sited, but somewhere either on the collar site or north car parks - there's likely to be an arena. Not, I don't think, a 20K facility to compete with or replace the Arena in town. (People keep suggesting this but it isn't going to happen). Think more in terms of a flexible venue that can be reconfigured to host conferences, indoor sports and concerts (the latter up to a capacity of maybe 6K or 7K) something along these lines: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.adnec.ae/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.adnec.ae/</a>

Not suggesting you are wrong but is this your informed opinion or just opinion ?

The idea of a futsal arena was posted by someone on here.

The rest is based on private comments from someone privy to information that's not in the public domain. It could be wrong and it could have been right at the time with things changing since then, because these kinds of plans do evolve over time. However, it seems to me that there's strong logic that would suggest it that putting this kind of facility makes sense: it would encourage daily footfall, bringing in visitors who would use other facilities on the collar site; it would help to create a 'destination of national and international significance', which is a stated objective mentioned in Council documents more than once; and it would give Manchester a facility of the type and capacity it currently lacks, complementing rather than competing with the city's current offer.

 

[SilverFox2]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

@Petrusha

Many thanks for your logic on that.

As you say things evolve and maybe it is one for the future in different part of the Country if the 'Council' disapprove.

 

[Manchester1894]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

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