Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

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blingy said:
more lazy than useless said:
SPIDERBOY said:
I've been told today that city have bought out the asda,some senior employees have been told they got 18 months before it closes.....anyone else heard this?

It gets posted about every 10 pages in this thread going back a couple of years.

Not saying it isn't true, or that it can't be, or that some good reasons for and against haven't been posted, but its very much in the 'I'll wait for an official announcement or quoteable source' column for me.


Asda look to defiantly be closing and moving , weather city have bought the land is another thing, but I can't see anyone else wanting it as mutch as we do..

My employees has asked me about a job for her sister who works over there at asda and lives local , she has been told they are relocating the store as there building some kind if mall / multi complex like one they have built in Birmingham (can only assume it's this <a class="postlink" href="http://www.resortsworldbirmingham.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.resortsworldbirmingham.co.uk</a> )
My employee knows nothing about football or city as she a wiganer she just mentioned this to me as a inquiry for her sister .

How much would you bet against an extension of the Manchester Velodrome for multi-sports functions including basketball, futsal, outdoor 5-a-side courts/7-a-side courts and a full entertainment complex?
 
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acton28 said:
blingy said:
more lazy than useless said:
It gets posted about every 10 pages in this thread going back a couple of years.

Not saying it isn't true, or that it can't be, or that some good reasons for and against haven't been posted, but its very much in the 'I'll wait for an official announcement or quoteable source' column for me.


Asda look to defiantly be closing and moving , weather city have bought the land is another thing, but I can't see anyone else wanting it as mutch as we do..

My employees has asked me about a job for her sister who works over there at asda and lives local , she has been told they are relocating the store as there building some kind if mall / multi complex like one they have built in Birmingham (can only assume it's this <a class="postlink" href="http://www.resortsworldbirmingham.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.resortsworldbirmingham.co.uk</a> )
My employee knows nothing about football or city as she a wiganer she just mentioned this to me as a inquiry for her sister .

How much would you bet against an extension of the Manchester Velodrome for multi-sports functions including basketball, futsal, outdoor 5-a-side courts/7-a-side courts and a full entertainment complex?

Could be prime for an arena too (concert arena), dead cheap to build, better parking that the fones4U (MEN) arena, and quite profitable!
 
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It's not the Campus, stadium or collar site, but it does relate to plans to make East Manchester a centre of sporing excellence, in which the above play a vital role, and we did talk about it in the Vegas thread, so I feel justified in posting it here even though the site is a mile or two from our patch.

Anyway, it appears that things are moving with regard to the National Speedway Stadium - at least according to a story on the Belle Vue Aces official site. I've posted the text below but for those who prefer a link, here it is: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=1157" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=1157</a>

The key piece of information is that they expect to submit the planning application later this month.

NSS Plans Go Public

Belle Vue Speedway boss David Gordon today welcomed moves by Manchester City Council to turn the public spotlight on the National Speedway Stadium as a 'massive step forward'.

The project, which Gordon and Operations Director Chris Morton launched in 2007, is undergoing a public awareness blitz by the Council in the lead-up to the planning submission which is expected later this month.

It represents another landmark in the ambitious plan to bring the new stadium to Manchester as an integral part of the Belle Vue Sports Village in Gorton.

Once one of the city’s most popular leisure and tourism sites, the creation of the Belle Vue Sport Village will revive East Manchester’s reputation as a major destination while adding to it's already impressive sport and leisure credentials.

And the 6000-capacity National Speedway Stadium, with its 1800 seat grandstand, will allow the Belle Vue Aces to compete at the highest level of racing while allowing the club to host not only national race meets but, as one of the best tracks in Europe, to also compete with major venues across the continent.

The new stadium will include a Speedway Academy which will provide training and coaching for riders across a range of subjects, including riding, technical and mechanical skills taught in both a practical and classroom setting, and a state-of-the-art acoustic barrier to reduce noise for the first time in the club's history.

Gordon and Morton have had to be patient while they have gone through a myriad of meetings to agree the finances and all the intricate detail involved in the project which is an important part of the East Manchester Regeneration scheme.

Now the Council have signalled they are ready to turn the throttle on the venture which will bring World Championship speedway to the city, leaving Gordon and Morton elated after all their prolonged hard work.

Gordon said, “It’s terrific for Manchester, and Gorton in particular, as well as the sport of speedway, that the Council have decided the time is right to take this initiative. It’s the massive step forward we have been working towards.

“We are delighted that our plans to keep Belle Vue where it belongs, in the Belle Vue area where the club has raced since being formed in 1928, are really moving ahead. The discussion process has been long and, at times, tough but we are coming through it.

“There is strong support for the Sports Village in Gorton already but we want residents to know that their best interests have been thoroughly discussed and catered for, for example the planning application includes an acoustic shield to control noise.

“We want this to be a local amenity which will provide local jobs as well as bringing tourist revenues to Manchester hotels, restaurants and pubs as well.

"Local councillors are right behind us because they are very keen to achieve the benefits a scheme like this will bring to Gorton.”

Gordon added, “There is more to this project than the National Speedway Stadium and we have already been cleared to use the name by the sport’s authorities, but it will be brilliant to bring the world’s greatest speedway names to the city for World Championship racing.

“It would be fair to say that the International Motor Federation, who run speedway, and the IMG group, who are the Grand Prix rights holders, are right behind us and will be delighted with this development.

“To have Belle Vue Speedway racing on a custom built track, like we did at the iconic Hyde Road stadium, has been our dream and that dream is taking a major step in the right direction.

"We are very pleased that the public information process is now underway, with more public awareness of the Sports Village being made available as the project moves towards to the planning application later this month. This is a significant milestone in the project’s progress."

Councillor Rosa Battle, of Manchester City Council, added, "We would urge anyone in the local community to come forward with their views on the proposals for the Belle Vue Sports Village. The development will sit at the heart of the Gorton area and will become a major asset that the local community will be encouraged to take full advantage of.”

The Council have arranged the following drop-in dates for members of the public to gain further information:

Tuesday,June 10 at Gorton Library 2-7pm; Saturday,June 14 at Gorton Market 12-5pm; Wednesday, June 18 at Belle Vue Leisure Centre 2-7pm; Thursday, June 19 at Mount Road Sure Start Centre 2-7pm.

Thursday 5th June 2014

Incidentally, generally reliable sources do seem to back up the notion that Asda will be moving in due course, though they'll continue to trade at the current site for the time being.
 
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Much bigger project I know but it took the Olympic Games to rejuvenate East London.

The question is whether the Sheiks plans are strictly limited to MCFC.

Maybe he has bigger fish to fry elsewhere but currently cheap land coupled with vision could very well be a good investment for all forms of development.
 
Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

acton28 said:
blingy said:
more lazy than useless said:
It gets posted about every 10 pages in this thread going back a couple of years.

Not saying it isn't true, or that it can't be, or that some good reasons for and against haven't been posted, but its very much in the 'I'll wait for an official announcement or quoteable source' column for me.


Asda look to defiantly be closing and moving , weather city have bought the land is another thing, but I can't see anyone else wanting it as mutch as we do..

My employees has asked me about a job for her sister who works over there at asda and lives local , she has been told they are relocating the store as there building some kind if mall / multi complex like one they have built in Birmingham (can only assume it's this <a class="postlink" href="http://www.resortsworldbirmingham.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.resortsworldbirmingham.co.uk</a> )
My employee knows nothing about football or city as she a wiganer she just mentioned this to me as a inquiry for her sister .

How much would you bet against an extension of the Manchester Velodrome for multi-sports functions including basketball, futsal, outdoor 5-a-side courts/7-a-side courts and a full entertainment complex?

The lad who told me yesterday said it's to build a casino,hotel and restraunts......IF what he's been told is true.
 
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SPIDERBOY said:
acton28 said:
blingy said:
Asda look to defiantly be closing and moving , weather city have bought the land is another thing, but I can't see anyone else wanting it as mutch as we do..

My employees has asked me about a job for her sister who works over there at asda and lives local , she has been told they are relocating the store as there building some kind if mall / multi complex like one they have built in Birmingham (can only assume it's this <a class="postlink" href="http://www.resortsworldbirmingham.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.resortsworldbirmingham.co.uk</a> )
My employee knows nothing about football or city as she a wiganer she just mentioned this to me as a inquiry for her sister .

How much would you bet against an extension of the Manchester Velodrome for multi-sports functions including basketball, futsal, outdoor 5-a-side courts/7-a-side courts and a full entertainment complex?

The lad who told me yesterday said it's to build a casino,hotel and restraunts......IF what he's been told is true.


Saves everyone trying to cram into Maccy D's or clearing out the sandwich stand in ASDA.
 
Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

Someone mentions futsal above. There was talk on this thread a couple of months ago that there could be a futsal stadium appearing on the campus, but IIRC it was said to be earmarked for the north end of the collar site, next to the canal.
 
Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

john@staustell said:
SPIDERBOY said:
acton28 said:
How much would you bet against an extension of the Manchester Velodrome for multi-sports functions including basketball, futsal, outdoor 5-a-side courts/7-a-side courts and a full entertainment complex?

The lad who told me yesterday said it's to build a casino,hotel and restraunts......IF what he's been told is true.


Saves everyone trying to cram into Maccy D's or clearing out the sandwich stand in ASDA.

Might be bollocks mate,I don't know.....he's never mentioned anything to me city related before,he just came out with it in the pub.
 
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The Velodrome does seem a bit stuck out all alone and once the Academy, engorged stadium and collar site start flashing their pants, Asda appears to be ill placed now. Might be a bit of a struggle to knock down and rebuild given it's Grade II listed status though.
 
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somapop said:
The Velodrome does seem a bit stuck out all alone and once the Academy, engorged stadium and collar site start flashing their pants, Asda appears to be ill placed now. Might be a bit of a struggle to knock down and rebuild given it's Grade II listed status though.

There was a rumour some time ago that the structure where Asda is currently housed would be retained and would continue to be used for retail. I don't know if it's viable for them in effect to build on top of it.
 
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Before ADUG bought City the plans that were still considered to be 'live' included several thousand houses on what is now that CFA site.

The Super Casino was the anchor tenant for the collar site (with City having some offices on there too) and the Holt Town area was to part of a redeveloped wedge of housing that was still very much an unfunded dream.

In all of those plans ASDA was a site that was neither needed in any grander scheme or considered to be anything troublesome for what was planned.

Its clear that everything changed and changed quite significantly and the idea that ASDA would remain is prtty ludicrous.

Over a year ago some of us on here even noted a few sites nearby that could house a store and we assumed that the Council would use CCO to achieve this.

I would also think that the small industrial units near to the Merc garage is also in City's sights too.

Whilst all of that is bing decided and the stadium is being expanded then surely the further reaches of the land already under ownership will be developed soonest? I know that the local futsal community are pretty excited.
 
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petrusha said:
It's not the Campus, stadium or collar site, but it does relate to plans to make East Manchester a centre of sporing excellence, in which the above play a vital role, and we did talk about it in the Vegas thread, so I feel justified in posting it here even though the site is a mile or two from our patch.

Anyway, it appears that things are moving with regard to the National Speedway Stadium - at least according to a story on the Belle Vue Aces official site. I've posted the text below but for those who prefer a link, here it is: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=1157" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=1157</a>

The key piece of information is that they expect to submit the planning application later this month.

NSS Plans Go Public

Belle Vue Speedway ...

Incidentally, generally reliable sources do seem to back up the notion that Asda will be moving in due course, though they'll continue to trade at the current site for the time being.
Do we have any sort of link with the Speedway proposal?
 
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ColinLee said:
Do we have any sort of link with the Speedway proposal?

No direct link as far as I know.

I suspect that where we fit in is that a lot of the spare land which will be developed at and around the Etihad Campus is (or was) owned by MCC. In reports to the Council Exeuctive, it was stated that this land would be disposed of at market value to the MCFC/MCC joint venture company which is going to develop the land. That company is 80% owned by MCFC and I suspect that MCC has contributed land in return for its 20% shareholding in the JV. City presumably contirbuted money to enable the JV to fund various operations.

However, I suspect that there may have been cash adjustments made or additional land subsequently sold to the JV at cash to the Council. I'd speculate that this allows the Council to put in bits of money here and there to help other proposals in East Manchester to get off the ground.
 
Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

petrusha said:
ColinLee said:
Do we have any sort of link with the Speedway proposal?

No direct link as far as I know.

I suspect that where we fit in is that a lot of the spare land which will be developed at and around the Etihad Campus is (or was) owned by MCC. In reports to the Council Exeuctive, it was stated that this land would be disposed of at market value to the MCFC/MCC joint venture company which is going to develop the land. That company is 80% owned by MCFC and I suspect that MCC has contributed land in return for its 20% shareholding in the JV. City presumably contirbuted money to enable the JV to fund various operations.

However, I suspect that there may have been cash adjustments made or additional land subsequently sold to the JV at cash to the Council. I'd speculate that this allows the Council to put in bits of money here and there to help other proposals in East Manchester to get off the ground.

Plus revenues from the gate receipts that were renegotiated a while back (approx. £4mpa if memory serves me correctly) allow the council to invest in sporting facilities. I presume that this falls into that remit despite the fact it isn't, strictly speaking, within the Sportcity complex.
 
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Don't be surprised if there are other Sheik M. / MCC deals regarding land for development that are not necessarily under the MCFC umbrella.
The current construction and its impact on the area is probably factored into the potential for development throughout the east Manchester area completely.

Just a guess, but MCFC could very well be his starter for 10.
 
Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

mostonbluemark said:
Plus revenues from the gate receipts that were renegotiated a while back (approx. £4mpa if memory serves me correctly) allow the council to invest in sporting facilities. I presume that this falls into that remit despite the fact it isn't, strictly speaking, within the Sportcity complex.

Yes, during the first seven seasons in the new stadium, we reportedly paid £12 million in 'rent'. That I believe was ring-fenced to be spent on sports facilities under the terms of Sport England's original funding and was applied towards the upkeep costs of the athletics arena and tennis/squash facilities. The reported £4 million per annum we now pay includes, I think, increased rent and the Council's share of the naming rights deal and obviously represents a significant increase.

SilverFox2 said:
Don't be surprised if there are other Sheik M. / MCC deals regarding land for development that are not necessarily under the MCFC umbrella.
The current construction and its impact on the area is probably factored into the potential for development throughout the east Manchester area completely.

Just a guess, but MCFC could very well be his starter for 10.

This may well be true.

Also, there have been rumours that there could be Abu Dhabi investment in Manchester generally, outside the MCFC umbrella.

Another point is that there will be commercial (i.e. office) space as part of the collar site development and rumour has it that this could house a European HQ of a high-profile multinational company. If true, it's likely to be one with Abu Dhabi ownership or investment, one would presume.
 
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petrusha said:
This may well be true.

Also, there have been rumours that there could be Abu Dhabi investment in Manchester generally, outside the MCFC umbrella.

Another point is that there will be commercial (i.e. office) space as part of the collar site development and rumour has it that this could house a European HQ of a high-profile multinational company. If true, it's likely to be one with Abu Dhabi ownership or investment, one would presume.

Where (ish) are you hearing this from Petrusha? Stuff sprinkled on this thread (Abu Dhabi were at one stage rumoured to be purchasing City Tower in Piccadilly, though that doesn't seem to be the case anymore) or from less accessible grapevines?
I know there's a few rumours about the Chinese looking for 1million Sq Ft of offices in Manchester, so the more the merrier...
 
Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

somapop said:
petrusha said:
This may well be true.

Also, there have been rumours that there could be Abu Dhabi investment in Manchester generally, outside the MCFC umbrella.

Another point is that there will be commercial (i.e. office) space as part of the collar site development and rumour has it that this could house a European HQ of a high-profile multinational company. If true, it's likely to be one with Abu Dhabi ownership or investment, one would presume.

Where (ish) are you hearing this from Petrusha? Stuff sprinkled on this thread (Abu Dhabi were at one stage rumoured to be purchasing City Tower in Piccadilly, though that doesn't seem to be the case anymore) or from less accessible grapevines?
I know there's a few rumours about the Chinese looking for 1million Sq Ft of offices in Manchester, so the more the merrier...

Chinese money is doing a fair bit of developing over at Airport City
 
Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site (cont

somapop said:
petrusha said:
This may well be true.

Also, there have been rumours that there could be Abu Dhabi investment in Manchester generally, outside the MCFC umbrella.

Another point is that there will be commercial (i.e. office) space as part of the collar site development and rumour has it that this could house a European HQ of a high-profile multinational company. If true, it's likely to be one with Abu Dhabi ownership or investment, one would presume.

Where (ish) are you hearing this from Petrusha? Stuff sprinkled on this thread (Abu Dhabi were at one stage rumoured to be purchasing City Tower in Piccadilly, though that doesn't seem to be the case anymore) or from less accessible grapevines?
I know there's a few rumours about the Chinese looking for 1million Sq Ft of offices in Manchester, so the more the merrier...

Not from this thread, save to the extent that it repeats stuff I've posted in the past. There have been one or two potential high-profile AD investments - most notably the airport - that haven't gone ahead for whatever reason, but I believe there could be a willingness for AD investors to get involved in other forthcoming Manc projects should the right opportunities present themselves.
 
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