Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[willipp]

and how they going to control that

city have a a 5.30 kick off Saturday

massive band playing in the arena that Saturday night

they will build this but there will be no more roads no easier parking no more trains , no underground no monorail from the city

they might the odd more double tram on to deal with it

Thats the question and no idea what the asnwer is. More trams, build a train station for the campus that links to the northern network so trains came come directly to the campus and not to picadilly. Improve the road networks (takes longer on a bus getting back to picadilly than walking after a match).

 

[domalino]

It will be interesting to see what the implications are of yesterday's Heathrow court decision.

Potentially, any major development that is largely dependent on the car (such as this proposed Arena) even if permitted now runs the risk of being challenged on the grounds of contributing to climate change.

I suggest there needs to be a credible plan for public transport infrastructure improvements at this stage, not later on.

They say that 20,000 people use the metro and walk to/from City games so them being a 20,000 arena they think they can rely mostly on eco-friendly infrastructure.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

You know what, from experience i couldnt think of anything worse than a multi storey car park. I went to concert at the liverpool arena on the docks and parked on the multi storey. Its good as its right by the arena but getting out of it afterwards was horrific. Took over an hour just to get off it and then had to deal with all the traffic around the docks, far far worse than anything ive ever had getting away from city.

I suppose it depends on how it's built. I've been on the City car park as it currently is and it's wacky races getting out. Quite hilarious at times.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

You know what, from experience i couldnt think of anything worse than a multi storey car park. I went to concert at the liverpool arena on the docks and parked on the multi storey. Its good as its right by the arena but getting out of it afterwards was horrific. Took over an hour just to get off it and then had to deal with all the traffic around the docks, far far worse than anything ive ever had getting away from city.

That carpark went up in flames a few year's back...

 

[nmc]

I don't think it's all that uncommon in the States as the venues usually share the parking lots. in Philadelphia, for example, the arena, football and baseball stadiums are all really close to each other.

As for Europe, Stuttgart technically has 3 indoor arenas and the football stadium all right next to each other. One decent sized arena with 15k, one with 8k and one of the stands houses a 2k arena that's used for volleyball, field hockey etc.

In Philadelphia you are right The Philys, Eagles, 76s and Flyers play on the same Road. Of course you have the SEPTA system that really helps. Incidentally SEPTA stands for Slow Expensive Prone to Accidents ! I’m told.

 

[LancashireBlue]

You know what, from experience i couldnt think of anything worse than a multi storey car park. I went to concert at the liverpool arena on the docks and parked on the multi storey. Its good as its right by the arena but getting out of it afterwards was horrific. Took over an hour just to get off it and then had to deal with all the traffic around the docks, far far worse than anything ive ever had getting away from city.

Munich can be a complete and utter pain in the arse also. The football stadium essentially sits on top of a multi storey car park.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

They say that 20,000 people use the metro and walk to/from City games so them being a 20,000 arena they think they can rely mostly on eco-friendly infrastructure.

I think it the Metrolink probably could just about cope on days/nights when there is no football happening.

My worry is on those days when clashes do happen, because the Blue car park will be full already and the Metrolink isn't great on football nights as things stand at the moment.

 

[domalino]

I think it the Metrolink probably could just about cope on days/nights when there is no football happening.

My worry is on those days when clashes do happen, because the Blue car park will be full already and the Metrolink isn't great on football nights as things stand at the moment.

Yeah I don't think it works in practice, but it sounds like it's their reasoning for the application.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

It will be interesting to see what the implications are of yesterday's Heathrow court decision.

Potentially, any major development that is largely dependent on the car (such as this proposed Arena) even if permitted now runs the risk of being challenged on the grounds of contributing to climate change.

I suggest there needs to be a credible plan for public transport infrastructure improvements at this stage, not later on.

I don't disagree, but nobody seems to want to take on the cost of improving current public transport. Are City restricted on what they can spend due to FFP (honest question I don't know enough on what is/isn't allowed)? At the moment, and I keep saying this, the best way to move lots of people in a short time is to move them in different directions, but currently we only have an east/west solution, generally feeding the majority back into the congested city centre. I refuse to do that because it takes me 30mins longer to do the 9 miles home, is bloody expensive for the 4 of us, is uncomfortable and unreliable. If nobody wants a huge up-front cost of new tram lines, train stations, then why not have shuttle buses running from Park & Ride car parks set up near some of the M60 junctions. Just needs bus lanes on ATW. Until they do something, then people will still use their cars.

 

[Marvin]

It will be interesting to see what the implications are of yesterday's Heathrow court decision.

Potentially, any major development that is largely dependent on the car (such as this proposed Arena) even if permitted now runs the risk of being challenged on the grounds of contributing to climate change.

I suggest there needs to be a credible plan for public transport infrastructure improvements at this stage, not later on.

There is a city centre transport strategy and that's anti-car so if the arena was car dependent there'd be a problem.