Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Marvin]

Apparently the new arena has an annual lease worth 'millions' to City.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

Thats the question and no idea what the asnwer is. More trams, build a train station for the campus that links to the northern network so trains came come directly to the campus and not to picadilly. Improve the road networks (takes longer on a bus getting back to picadilly than walking after a match).

Those rail lines on the Phillip's Park/Ashburys curve are very much an under-utilised resource. At the moment hardly any passenger trains use them but it is possible to imagine this changing in the future so long as there is a willingness to invest.

Obviously a station would have to be built and the train operators convinced there is the potential for traffic, but the area around the Etihad is supposed to be undergoing a transformation over the next 20 years (if the East Manchester framework is to be believed) with lots more housing and commercial workspace as well as all the leisure stuff we are focused on here.

Boris is keen on infrastructure and the Govt has recently announced another round of the New Stations Fund plus lots of money for rail feasibility studies, so it maybe it is time for City and its development partners to convince Mayor Burnham and the City Council to really make the case for some transformative public transport infrastructure for the Eastlands area.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Can anyone think of a location where an arena is located next to a 50K football stadium in a suburban situation?

The one that occurs to me is Hamburg where the football ground is right next to the Colorline Arena (or whatever they call it now). Their arena is smaller though than the one planned for East Manchester..

The difference is that Hamburg's arena is served by a heavy rail line and also two S-Bahn lines so it works fairly well from what I understand. I went to an event at the Arena some years ago but it wasn't during the football season. They must be used to clashes though because they use it for ice hockey (or they did)

Not 50K but Coventry's (or Wasps) Ricoh Arena has a smaller venue for concerts next to it.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

There is a city centre transport strategy and that's anti-car so if the arena was car dependent there'd be a problem.

I have seen no evidence that they are not relying on most people arriving by car. Except on 'clash days' when apparently everyone extra will be walking from the city centre.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Those rail lines on the Phillip's Park/Ashburys curve are very much an under-utilised resource. At the moment hardly any passenger trains use them but it is possible to imagine this changing in the future so long as there is a willingness to invest.

Obviously a station would have to be built and the train operators convinced there is the potential for traffic, but the area around the Etihad is supposed to be undergoing a transformation over the next 20 years (if the East Manchester framework is to be believed) with lots more housing and commercial workspace as well as all the leisure stuff we are focused on here.

Boris is keen on infrastructure and the Govt has recently announced another round of the New Stations Fund plus lots of money for rail feasibility studies, so it maybe it is time for City and its development partners to convince Mayor Burnham and the City Council to really make the case for some transformative public transport infrastructure for the Eastlands area.

Or re-open Philips Park station on the Ashton line. Just a short walk away

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Or re-open Philips Park station on the Ashton line. Just a short walk away

This!!!

Easily done, or dig out on the line that goes around the stadium and have a station there.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

If anyone's interested, there's a second phase of consultation next week:

If the "consultation" is anything like it was in Moston for the Rag Socks plans for Pallet Park then it is a done deal.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

There is a city centre transport strategy and that's anti-car so if the arena was car dependent there'd be a problem.

What they've seemingly announced is that they are going with the current infrastructure. That is a mix of tram, pedestrians and car. Only, when there's two events on at the same time, will there be less or more cars trying to get there than if it was just one? Either they improve the public transport or build more car parking or just suck it and see. My point is that I think they might increase the number of official car parking places (which could be a multi-storey) but that will be a short to mid term solution. In any case, more cars isn't necessarily bad for the environment, cars stuck going nowhere with their petrol engines running is, so it IS possible to increase car parking, improve the movement of the cars and not impact the environmental targets. Even more so with cars getting 'greener' engines.

 

[Blue Maverick]

The article says that clashes will be 'mostly avoided':

Clashes with City matches will be mostly avoided to try and alleviate traffic and transport issues.

However they say there may be occasions when events are on at both the stadium and arena at the same time, for example when City games have been moved at late notice for TV coverage, but they say in those circumstances they would work with the council, the police and the local community to manage them.

The question is given current infrastructure what can the council/police actually do to manage a situation where (say) 23K pop music fans descend on the Arena the same night we are playing a 5.30 PL game or an 8pm CL game ?

With the way tv chops and changes fixtures, it will be chaos because concert dates will be set in stone, tv won’t care, it will be carnage around there, the car parks for football will get priority as most will have been included in season tickets, so what if concert goers have pre booked parking and then suddenly they dump a football match on the same night?

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

This!!!

Easily done, or dig out on the line that goes around the stadium and have a station there.

Problem is passenger trains dont run on it. I dont think the operators can just run trains on match / concert days.