Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[GortonBlue62]

53,165 against United

Although it does say we got more than 53,400 against Bournemouth (53,453) and Forest (53,409). So I’m not sure where any extra seats are this season?

The only thing I can think of is that if the away fans don't take the third tier, then the seats that would have been empty, because of segregation, could then be occupied.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

Is there any reason the expansion couldn’t add an extra block to either side? It would make matching up with the sides more involved in the future, but I can’t think of another reason.

My suggestion would be to follow that walkway and install your new corporate areas here underneath the walkway, then on top of the new corporate boxes install new screens. This would not affect the roof in the stadium

 

[supercity88]

I’ve had a look back at the application for the SS/NS expansion. City have approval to expand the stadium to a total of 62,170 from 47,670 (14,500) additional seats. However, it limited the expansion of each stand to a total of 6,250 seats which would leave the 2,000 missing seats as those at pitch level which have subsequently gone due to the double advertising boards. That gives us the current 53,920 (or thereabouts). The NS based on this original application would then take us to 60,170.



From reading through the planning statement/DAS the club has carried out feasibility based on expansion of the whole ground. They’re looking at an end figure in excess of 70,000 to challenge United, Bayern, Real and Barca in terms of capacity/hospitality offerings and being one of the very elite stadia. As a planner myself, I know the issues you can face trying to get planning permission. (I also have no engineering knowledge hence my queries on build logistics!). Reading between the lines, it’s clear that the City Council are keen to retain the unique design of the Etihad – which is led by the roof cablenet system. Therefore, the club have looked to the maximum capacity overall which retains this architectural feature (albeit in an amended form). The SS and NS can only be increased by 6,250 based on this approach before viewing/safety/structural compromises occur. Safe standing may increase the total but I think talk of the NS adding 10,000 seats is unlikely.



The corners are temporary and designed to be easily amended to accommodate the side stand expansion which will tie in and retain the bowl design. Eventually the sides will be much larger third tiers too and add probably 5,000+ seats each side of the ground to take us up to 70,000 – realistically from looking at the images I would expect us to be looking at much more than 5,000 on each side and we’ll have the ultimate aim of pushing beyond Old Trafford and being the biggest in Greater Manchester! They've modelled the stadium in the image above, with the side stands expanded as well.



Visually they want to have the stadium wrapped with curtain glazing/cladding to be able to provide an improved design. This will be through a combination of lighting/posters (which would be see-through from within the stadium). Some feasibility/design evolution images attached.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

Here is Spurs set-up , we should copy that we also copy they intertior facilities which are just amazing which include a in-house brewary, market space featuring a foot court and the goaline bar. The two lines that run down East and West Stands are there coporate area and boxes, there coporate area join up with the North Stand by following the curve in the staduim, City could copy this so giving the ground its extra coporate areas this could be done on our South Stand and North Stand then you could place the new LED screens above it. The new North Stand needs to be a copy of the Spurs South Stand, the stand here is one combined stand but it is clearly disigned it actualy two stands joined together , so city could copy that by changing the front of the North Stand into a elovated safe standing section and then build a expanded joint second tier as discussed above.

 

[gaz76]

Been posted before. A decent mockup.

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Looks great, but what's the point in it being a two tier stand if there's no boxes in between? Might as well just be a single tier?

 

[supercity88]

Here is Spurs set-up , we should copy that we also copy they intertior facilities which are just amazing which include a in-house brewary, market space featuring a foot court and the goaline bar. The two lines that run down East and West Stands are there coporate area and boxes, there coporate area join up with the North Stand by following the curve in the staduim, City could copy this so giving the ground its extra coporate areas this could be done on our South Stand and North Stand then you could place the new LED screens above it. The new North Stand needs to be a copy of the Spurs South Stand, the stand here is one combined stand but it is clearly disigned it actualy two stands joined together , so city could copy that by changing the front of the North Stand into a elovated safe standing section and then build a expanded joint second tier as discussed above.

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Not that simple with the cable net being seen as an architectural feature that needs retaining and just general construction logistics. It will be a two tier stand at best, three tiers otherwise.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

I’ve had a look back at the application for the SS/NS expansion. City have approval to expand the stadium to a total of 62,170 from 47,670 (14,500) additional seats. However, it limited the expansion of each stand to a total of 6,250 seats which would leave the 2,000 missing seats as those at pitch level which have subsequently gone due to the double advertising boards. That gives us the current 53,920 (or thereabouts). The NS based on this original application would then take us to 60,170.



From reading through the planning statement/DAS the club has carried out feasibility based on expansion of the whole ground. They’re looking at an end figure in excess of 70,000 to challenge United, Bayern, Real and Barca in terms of capacity/hospitality offerings and being one of the very elite stadia. As a planner myself, I know the issues you can face trying to get planning permission. (I also have no engineering knowledge hence my queries on build logistics!).View attachment 59172View attachment 59173View attachment 59174View attachment 59175View attachment 59176 Reading between the lines, it’s clear that the City Council are keen to retain the unique design of the Etihad – which is led by the roof cablenet system. Therefore, the club have looked to the maximum capacity overall which retains this architectural feature (albeit in an amended form). The SS and NS can only be increased by 6,250 based on this approach before viewing/safety/structural compromises occur. Safe standing may increase the total but I think talk of the NS adding 10,000 seats is unlikely.



The corners are temporary and designed to be easily amended to accommodate the side stand expansion which will tie in and retain the bowl design. Eventually the sides will be much larger third tiers too and add probably 5,000+ seats each side of the ground to take us up to 70,000 – realistically from looking at the images I would expect us to be looking at much more than 5,000 on each side and we’ll have the ultimate aim of pushing beyond Old Trafford and being the biggest in Greater Manchester! They've modelled the stadium in the image above, with the side stands expanded as well.



Visually they want to have the stadium wrapped with curtain glazing/cladding to be able to provide an improved design. This will be through a combination of lighting/posters (which would be see-through from within the stadium). Some feasibility/design evolution images attached.

Good work Supercity 88 I know a bit about planning, they maybe need to put in another or amended planning application for the North Stand as they look like they are going to change the original plans, there was also talk of a new city square maybe they log it with that. Planning applications normal last about 5 years, @jrb is the best person to ask

 

[supercity88]

Good work Supercity 88 I know a bit about planning, they maybe need to put in another or amended planning application for the North Stand as they look like they are going to change the original plans, there was also talk of a new city square maybe they log it with that. Planning applications normal last about 5 years, @jrb is the best person to ask

The current application has been implemented so it's extant. If they want to change proposals then yes they'll need to submit a new application.

 

[blueparrot]

Looks great, but what's the point in it being a two tier stand if there's no boxes in between? Might as well just be a single tier?

I assume because to make it a single tier the stand would need to be closed and rebuilt for a season. Seems no point when they could do a large 2nd tier with no closures.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

Not that simple with the cable net being seen as an architectural feature that needs retaining and just general construction logistics. It will be a two tier stand at best, three tiers otherwise.

I am sure the clever people and Populous will be able to sort that out. I agree with you about the two-tier with a new elevated safe standing first tier. The new first-tier section could be done in the summer with a new expanded second tier done within the season just like Liverpool are doing

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