Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Centurions]

Spot on, it would look like this with a single tier at the bottom and expanded second tier at the top

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In what way does that show the angles of the tiers in any meaningful way?

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Spot on @jrb agree totally

My understanding is that there will be NO mid tier hospitality in the expanded NS.

Level 1 will be full width standing,level 2 will be seating in a single tier.

Unclear about the extent of F& B lounges but there certainly will be as many as can be accommodated.

I also understand that hospitality in SS2 will be extended and upgraded including a section dedicated for away fans.

All of which seems to be logical.

 

[supercity88]

There is a small cross-section graphic of the expanded SS on here (true to form I can't find it now) which shows the angles better. The front edge of the existing 2nd tier is quite a bit above the pitch level, because of that if you continue at the same slope, I think you'll lose view of the nearest goalmouth towards the back of an extended 2nd tier. That's why if you look at almost any cross section of a multi-tiered stand you'll see that they're generally steeper as you go up.

You're quite right. There was a lot in the Design and Access Statement for the SS/NS expansion application about the slope angles and considering the viewing/safety and indeed for the side stands protection from weather - it included feasibility into further expansion of the East and Colin Bell stands which I would reiterate have been designed for already in feasibility studies hence the replaceable corners that allow a more straightforward replacement to tie into side stand expansion in the future without needing to revisit the ends.

Whatever is going on at the moment obviously requires planning permission which means it differs from the extant plans for the North Stand. Whether that's just to add in the club store/museum and wider proposals or it includes revised plans for the North Stand is yet to be seen.

As per the post above from @Gone for a Burton I am hopeful we will get a large 2nd tier whereby the stand is built behind and then ties in. They either change the profile of that existing 2nd tier in the close season or they tie it in and it gets steeper. The former option would be the most logical.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

My understanding is that there will be NO mid tier hospitality in the expanded NS.

Level 1 will be full width standing,level 2 will be seating in a single tier.

Unclear about the extent of F& B lounges but there certainly will be as many as can be accommodated.

I also understand that hospitality in SS2 will be extended and upgraded including a section dedicated for away fans.

All of which seems to be logical.

Surely it would make more sense to have standing in level 2 - ie a large home end. Otherwise are they going to move people currently in the family stand?

There would be little to no point in having a standing section in the family stand as no one will stand up.

 

[jrb]

You're quite right. There was a lot in the Design and Access Statement for the SS/NS expansion application about the slope angles and considering the viewing/safety and indeed for the side stands protection from weather - it included feasibility into further expansion of the East and Colin Bell stands which I would reiterate have been designed for already in feasibility studies hence the replaceable corners that allow a more straightforward replacement to tie into side stand expansion in the future without needing to revisit the ends.

Whatever is going on at the moment obviously requires planning permission which means it differs from the extant plans for the North Stand. Whether that's just to add in the club store/museum and wider proposals or it includes revised plans for the North Stand is yet to be seen.

As per the post above from @Gone for a Burton I am hopeful we will get a large 2nd tier whereby the stand is built behind and then ties in. They either change the profile of that existing 2nd tier in the close season or they tie it in and it gets steeper. The former option would be the most logical.

Personally I’d prefer City and their architects to tie it in.

The 2nd tier is already at a good and acceptable angle, unlike the much steeper SSL3 tier, so tieing the current NSL2 tier and proposed NSL2 tier expansion in would make more sense(to me), if the concourses and spaces(souvenier shop, etc?) below can be configured properly within the expanded NS. Do you get what I mean? :-?

 

[jrb]

Surely it would make more sense to have standing in level 2 - ie a large home end. Otherwise are they going to move people currently in the family stand?

There would be little to no point in having a standing section in the family stand as no one will stand up.

If City expanded level 2 and made it all safe standing they could leave the family stand where it is. They could also create a new singing section within level 2, either at the front or the back.

I very much doubt that will happen as City would have to sacrifice corporate/expensive seating and possibly another corporate bar/restaurant.

I sincerely hope City bite the bullet on this one and put the general fans and the atmosphere first, but I can’t see that happening sadly.

 

[ytic04]

I'd like to see a mini Kippax, all level 1 of the East stand corner to corner safe standing and everyone else can sit down.

 

[jrb]

An Interesting and honest comment by Steve Smart (Linkedin) who attended the meet the buyer event at the Etihad this week.

It’s no (new white heart lane) but was a nice venue.

 

[HelloCity]

My understanding is that there will be NO mid tier hospitality in the expanded NS.

Level 1 will be full width standing,level 2 will be seating in a single tier.

Unclear about the extent of F& B lounges but there certainly will be as many as can be accommodated.

I also understand that hospitality in SS2 will be extended and upgraded including a section dedicated for away fans.

All of which seems to be logical.

Any idea on what will happen with the family stand?

 

[LEXSTARproject]

My understanding is that there will be NO mid tier hospitality in the expanded NS.

Level 1 will be full width standing,level 2 will be seating in a single tier.

Unclear about the extent of F& B lounges but there certainly will be as many as can be accommodated.

I also understand that hospitality in SS2 will be extended and upgraded including a section dedicated for away fans.

All of which seems to be logical.

@Gone for a Burton is spot on with what he says, the new North Stand lower section needs to be all safe standing section( this needs to become the singing section/ultra fans) the second tier needs to be expanded with no corporate boxes, the corporate boxes that have missed out can be placed under the screens on the corner. The upper tier can be steep so helping the noise. As a club, we really need to look at what Spurs have done and what Everton is copying, I am sure whoever city has appointed to design it will do a good job

This is the stand the Gone for a Burton talk about, this is from AC/Inter Milan's new stadium designed by Populous who have already designed the South Stand and are involved in the COOP live arena

This is their brief for the Spur's stadium

"The stadium is designed to deliver one of the best matchday atmospheres in the world, with uninterrupted sightlines and spectators closer to the pitch than at any comparable ground in the UK. The stands are made as steep as UK guidelines recommend, creating a tighter, more compact stadium bowl which focuses towards the southern ‘home end’, where 17,500 Spurs fans join together to generate a deafening ‘wall of sound’ in what is the largest single-tier stand in the UK."

Hopefully, the interiors stand are done by Jump Studios there already working on the COOP live

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Regarding outside the new North Stand look at what Populas has designed for the new Milan stadium

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