Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

As a regular Met user the main issue is capacity, or lack of. Metrolink simply don’t put enough trams on after games which leaves hundreds if not more queuing for up to an hour after the game, unless you leave early. That will need addressing if they expand the stadium further.

There's a bottleneck at Piccadilly and through the city centre. They could send more trams and line up as many as they want, you'd still end up queuing to get into Piccadilly, you'd just be sat on a tram going nowhere instead. The solution needs to send supporters in a different direction.

City won't spend loads of money on new track just for 25-30 days a year of use as it stands at the moment, and the council/tfgm won't pay for it while it works (I assume) for 340 days a year. The cheapest route I can think of would be to run a line from Asda up ATW, right onto Oldham Road and left into Central Park. A distance of 1.6miles but opens up trams to Rochdale and possibly Bury (if they are able to run "football specials" via the Engineering works at Queens Rd). Phase 1 Metrolink cost around £6million per km based on 2004 prices, so we're looking at possibly upto £30million I reckon for a really short route. When there's more happening at the collar site, then maybe a share of the cost between City and the council/tfgm could be considered.

 

[Trojan1962]

Ridiculous state of affairs the tram it took over one and half hours to get from the stadium to Altrincham on a match day. Better to get the train to Piccadilly and walk to the ground.

 

[King KdB of Belgium]

Most of the traffic problems regarding the buses could be solved in a minutes. All that is needed is to make a bus lane from Ashton New Road all the way to Queens Road on both sides of the road, this to be operating only on match days. Lets say 2 hours before the game and 2 hours after the game. Thus allowing a free flow of buses. It will also need the buses operators also to lay on extra buses to help with the flow off the supporters. The same can be done on the road behind the South Stand where possible.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

You’d be displacing around 15 - 20 k fans there with those being moved from the north and those being moved from the cb or east (where would thease people from the CB or East go btw) .. for some myfical singing section that will be full of none singers.
These myfical singers have had plenty of opertunity to band together on numerous occasions at the request of the 1894 group but have only ever managed a few hundred people at best.
If the appetite was there for a section of 10/15k singers I’d gladly agree with the moving of the 20k + fans about to accommodate it but iv not seen any evidence that there are more then 1-2 k fans will band together in this new singing section.
Most of the vocal ppl I know in the south and the S/e corner are there because of the away fans and would not move as they enjoy the banter.

Plus if you was to move the families to CB or east the club would have 2 options
1 put up tickets for families and risk losing future generations through financial reasons
2 keep the prices the same for kids and lose out on income for the premium seats in the CB or east

3rd would be them same families buying back into the stand they have been removed from as can’t afford CB or east , thus diluting the singing section

Moving tehe family stand has nothing to do really with the alledged singing section.

More to do with the empty seats constantly.

Be interesting to see how many are actually in the north stand with families.

Also the move would for them to have a tiny section in one of the stands, not displacing anyone else who has paid for a premium seat. Either that or keep them on one tier in the North Stand and correctly not change the pricing.

Considering everything city do outside the ground or over at the CFA for the youngsters its fine.

 

[Marvin]

Moving tehe family stand has nothing to do really with the alledged singing section.

More to do with the empty seats constantly.

Be interesting to see how many are actually in the north stand with families.

Also the move would for them to have a tiny section in one of the stands, not displacing anyone else who has paid for a premium seat. Either that or keep them on one tier in the North Stand and correctly not change the pricing.

Considering everything city do outside the ground or over at the CFA for the youngsters its fine.

I thought we had established that the little blocks of empty seats have got little to do with City season ticket holders.

Perhaps a few more families are no shows on a midweek night, but I think the major reason for the smattering of empty blocks are the concessions, staff, academy, sponsors etc who are allocated seats but don't show. We had a block of about 50 seats who were there at a recent home game all with tracksuits etc, and who never showed up in the 2nd half.

 

[JGL07]

I thought we had established that the little blocks of empty seats have got little to do with City season ticket holders.

Perhaps a few more families are no shows on a midweek night, but I think the major reason for the smattering of empty blocks are the concessions, staff, academy, sponsors etc who are allocated seats but don't show. We had a block of about 50 seats who were there at a recent home game all with tracksuits etc, and who never showed up in the 2nd half.

There are plenty of Season Ticket holders (two next to me) who often fail to show for midweek matches. I am in Block 232.

 

[aka blue jambo]

There are plenty of Season Ticket holders (two next to me) who often fail to show for midweek matches. I am in Block 232.

Coming from Edinburgh I'm guilty of that ... just cannot make every midweek game
Always try to sell on here for a decent price or via City

 

[Roachy]

Coming from Edinburgh I'm guilty of that ... just cannot make every midweek game
Always try to sell on here for a decent price or via City

I forgive you even if others won't, lol. Fair play for making that journey when you can though mate. I would love to see the stadium expanded but issues like transport and everything to do with ticketing needs sorting as well.

 

[aka blue jambo]

I forgive you even if others won't, lol. Fair play for making that journey when you can though mate. I would love to see the stadium expanded but issues like transport and everything to do with ticketing needs sorting as well.

Thanks :)
Usually get a taxi with pals to the game but walk back into piccadilly whether staying over or getting train home
Obviously see the trams packed to the gunnels going past

 

[blingy]

Moving tehe family stand has nothing to do really with the alledged singing section.

More to do with the empty seats constantly.

Be interesting to see how many are actually in the north stand with families.

Also the move would for them to have a tiny section in one of the stands, not displacing anyone else who has paid for a premium seat. Either that or keep them on one tier in the North Stand and correctly not change the pricing.

Considering everything city do outside the ground or over at the CFA for the youngsters its fine.

But the constant empty seats are nothing to do with the FS as they are club seats , yes there will be a percentage of people in all stands that can’t make every game. And probably more so in the fs of a evening with children’s welfare taking president over a football match.

The club seem to put the OAPs in that section too it may be there policy, it certainly was at MR , so yes there are not all families with kids

How can you give 8/10k people a tiny section in one of the stands, or how can you fit 2 stands worth of people into one. Your math doesn’t add up.

City put on a few things at the back of the family stand which is great for the kids (well done city) You think it’s fine to half the number of the family stand . (Which is what you are suggesting in the 2 into one stand )

 

[Marvin]

There are plenty of Season Ticket holders (two next to me) who often fail to show for midweek matches. I am in Block 232.

That is true but it does not affect the phenomena of sell-outs and empty seats.

Seasoncards relate to league games. How many midweek home league games are there? One maybe two a season. The phenomena that people have noticed is groups of seats that are empty when the game is sold out. If a long-distance seasoncard holder has decided not to go to midweek Cup games then their seat is on sale. 99% of people behave rationally when it comes to money so I don't believe there are people paying for seats and not turning up. That happens a lot at Man Utd Cup games. I know that from discussing this with a City steward who works at both clubs. That problem relates to their policy of automatically charging their season-ticket holders for midweek Cup games, but those tickets are all over and sprinkled throughout the ground. What you notice in City's South stand is little groups of empty seats that are clearly not seasoncard seats.

I think City have concessions for academy players, staff, sponsors, visiting youth teams etc and sometimes they don't show, or leave halfway through a game as happened right on the front of the stand behind the goals a few weeks ago. I expect this is going on right around the ground and probably at every ground in the country but we notice it more in that stand because we are sensitive to it, and city probably operate more concessions in that stand than elsewhere because they are the cheapest seats. Historically I think City have probably been quite relaxed about giving concessions as we are a community club and we had a big stadium but now the pressure on seats is much greater than it was historically was but City are locked into past behaviour.

 

[blingy]

I thought we had established that the little blocks of empty seats have got little to do with City season ticket holders.

Perhaps a few more families are no shows on a midweek night, but I think the major reason for the smattering of empty blocks are the concessions, staff, academy, sponsors etc who are allocated seats but don't show. We had a block of about 50 seats who were there at a recent home game all with tracksuits etc, and who never showed up in the 2nd half.

It’s been established but not comprehended it seems .

 

[Marvin]

But the constant empty seats are nothing to do with the FS as they are club seats , yes there will be a percentage of people in all stands that can’t make every game. And probably more so in the fs of a evening with children’s welfare taking president over a football match.

The club seem to put the OAPs in that section too it may be there policy, it certainly was at MR , so yes there are not all families with kids

How can you give 8/10k people a tiny section in one of the stands, or how can you fit 2 stands worth of people into one. Your math doesn’t add up.

City put on a few things at the back of the family stand which is great for the kids (well done city) You think it’s fine to half the number of the family stand . (Which is what you are suggesting in the 2 into one stand )

Every Premier League club has to have a family stand. It is part of Premier League regulations. I forget now whether it has to be a physically separated area or whether the club is just obliged to offer discounts for families. A lot of people seem to be confusing coincidence and cause i.e. blaming the operation of a Family Stand for a phenomena they see in that stand but it is one that is unlikely to have anything to do with the operation of a family stand but other practises that City are operating in that stand, and other stands too.

 

[blingy]

There are plenty of Season Ticket holders (two next to me) who often fail to show for midweek matches. I am in Block 232.

That will be me..

Unfortunately real life prevents me and my lad from attending the majority of night games . The seats go back to the club when posable who mostly fail to shift them on and I can’t even give them away for free.

I imagine as a pensioner you have a bit more time on your hands then those in the work force.

You do know your one of the ones some of the loons on here are trying to shift without regards to where they put you. Plus a lot of them think you shouldn’t be that stand as you don’t have kids.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

I thought we had established that the little blocks of empty seats have got little to do with City season ticket holders.

Perhaps a few more families are no shows on a midweek night, but I think the major reason for the smattering of empty blocks are the concessions, staff, academy, sponsors etc who are allocated seats but don't show. We had a block of about 50 seats who were there at a recent home game all with tracksuits etc, and who never showed up in the 2nd half.

its a mix match isn't it, families, groups etc etc.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

But the constant empty seats are nothing to do with the FS as they are club seats , yes there will be a percentage of people in all stands that can’t make every game. And probably more so in the fs of a evening with children’s welfare taking president over a football match.

The club seem to put the OAPs in that section too it may be there policy, it certainly was at MR , so yes there are not all families with kids

How can you give 8/10k people a tiny section in one of the stands, or how can you fit 2 stands worth of people into one. Your math doesn’t add up.

City put on a few things at the back of the family stand which is great for the kids (well done city) You think it’s fine to half the number of the family stand . (Which is what you are suggesting in the 2 into one stand )

Not all 8,000 will move. As we have established not all are families in that stand.

Your right they do a lot, but now they are doing more and more before game outside the stadium and inside the CFA is their really a need for at the back of the stand. And yes i have 2 children before the Do you kids comment gets thrown back.

Sections across all 3 tiers, on two sides of the ground will fit in fans.

The empty seats are season ticket holders in that stand the cause of empty seats or CITC tickets not being used for specific games.

 

[Roachy]

That will be me..

Unfortunately real life prevents me and my lad from attending the majority of night games . The seats go back to the club when posable who mostly fail to shift them on and I can’t even give them away for free.

I imagine as a pensioner you have a bit more time on your hands then those in the work force.

You do know your one of the ones some of the loons on here are trying to shift without regards to where they put you. Plus a lot of them think you shouldn’t be that stand as you don’t have kids.

I think your next home game has just got a bit more interesting, lol.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Can we get back to discussing the stadium build please,and not continue down the 'empty seat' route,again......

Cheers

 

[nmc]

Not too bothered about Stadium expansion but would like to see the stadium and particularly the area outside get a make over. Getting a bit tatty in places.

 

[blingy]

I think your next home game has just got a bit more interesting, lol.

Lol, will be a night game I’ll not be there -)

No disrespect meant, as I think this gent travels from Edinburgh week in week out with his Mrs and iv comended him many a time on here in other threads for doing so.

Dose grind my gears though when ppl that have no insite to others lifestyles and circumstances judge others who have to prioritise things , not that I’m suggesting that the poster is judging just them that do in general.