Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Marvin]

So this extra income from the Arena can be used by City under FFP...lovely jubbly :)

I don't think it will be operated by City.

 

[BrianW]

The Metrolink service at the Etihad post-game is appalling!

It would need to improve by at least 10% to be appalling.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

There is no chance of building a new railway line to cater for 25-26 home matches a year.

No need for a new rail line, just a station on the line passes very close to the stadium as it is.

At the moment those lines are only used for freight and moving empty passenger trains, but under the Northern Hub proposals some existing services would be diverted to Victoria rather than Piccadilly so there could be numerous passenger trains passing by the stadium each day in a few years time

The Etihad attracts just over 1 million vists per year based on around 25 home matches

An Arena with 20,000 seats will more than double that (assuming it can attract at least 50 days/nights of activity per year).

Plus there is all the commercial development planned for the area west of the stadium (e.g. technology companies in offices) That will also drive demand for better rail links, e.g. direct to the airport.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

No need for a new rail line, just a station on the line passes very close to the stadium as it is.

At the moment those lines are only used for freight and moving empty passenger trains, but under the Northern Hub proposals some existing services would be diverted to Victoria rather than Piccadilly so there could be numerous passenger trains passing by the stadium each day in a few years time

The Etihad attracts just over 1 million vists per year based on around 25 home matches

An Arena with 20,000 seats will more than double that (assuming it can attract at least 50 days/nights of activity per year).

Plus there is all the commercial development planned for the area west of the stadium (e.g. technology companies in offices) That will also drive demand for better rail links, e.g. direct to the airport.

I looked up some costs for various options about how to improve transport around the stadium and they all come to around £50 to £100 million mark. Even building a railway station isn't cheap. The main aim, I feel, is to get fans away by not having to force them to travel through the city centre which is the bottleneck for trams, but the problem is that the distances are relatively small to justify large expenditure just for 20 or so games a season. Victoria & Piccadilly aren't that far away really, not more than twice the distance to where I normally park my car for free for games so upgraded walking routes would be good, although my favourite option would be a monorail linking Victoria to Piccadilly via the ground as it would serve as a bit of a tourist attraction and help sell whatever is built on the collar site. Could be driverless too.

 

[blueparrot]

I don't think it will be operated by City.

No, but I would assume there would be a lease payable to the council and City.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Sa

No need for a new rail line, just a station on the line passes very close to the stadium as it is.

At the moment those lines are only used for freight and moving empty passenger trains, but under the Northern Hub proposals some existing services would be diverted to Victoria rather than Piccadilly so there could be numerous passenger trains passing by the stadium each day in a few years time

The Etihad attracts just over 1 million vists per year based on around 25 home matches

An Arena with 20,000 seats will more than double that (assuming it can attract at least 50 days/nights of activity per year).

Plus there is all the commercial development planned for the area west of the stadium (e.g. technology companies in offices) That will also drive demand for better rail links, e.g. direct to the airport.

Unfortunately this country is incapable and unwilling to provide public transport outside the London area. We are 30 years behind the rest of Europe.The London government is about to scrap HS2 and will downgrade proposals for HS3. It seems unlikely the authorities will do anything to address the chronic infrastructure problems in Greater Manchester and that includes the area around our stadium.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Outdoor stadiums are total tosh for gigs. The sound is appalling at outdoor gigs. I have no idea why people go to and enjoy festivals. It’s like putting a speaker out in the back yard while you’re in the bath and trying to listen to it.

Bobbins!

The acoustics in the MEN are shit n’all.

So we’re left with the Academy and Apollo in the whole city that has decent sound good enough to do decent bands of musicians justice.

Sorry mate. I just don’t agree. Going to outdoor festivals/concerts is great. The last time I went the cricket ground was actually to see Liam Gallagher - the sound was really good. I’ve seen a fe bands at the Etihad and the Men and I’ve never come out thinking the sound was shite.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

And a lot of local workers are desperate for more work & living from hand to mouth on total shit wages, some likely to struggle like fuck thanks to Brexit, so another venue close to home will be a help.

Every event needs people to set it up.

Yep local workers desperate for work, but the Etihad s right near by. As a said a lot of the jobs taken up at the ground are by agency workers who are not from the area.

Yes some people might get jobs. But in terms of actually living there - I would not want two stadiums and all the traffic that comes with it.

I think that the vast majority of people who live on the housing estates near the ground wont see much benefit from it. Probably get pushed out if anything.

Some of the suggestions on here - a shopping centre and a hotel- do we really need them??? Loads of hotels and shops not even ten minutes away already

 

[sweenyuk]

Rag FC. They have trams waiting to whisk the fans away. I have been there for non City matches (long story covered here before) As an example, Rags v Chelsea. leave at full time, tram back, not an efiin queue, the only queue was the amount of trams queuing to take you away from the shithole.

There is a holding point on the tramline near OT, no idea why same was never built when they extended past our ground, on a rag game day they simply stack trams at that holding point, on our games they can't

 

[Manc in London]

Sa

Unfortunately this country is incapable and unwilling to provide public transport outside the London area. We are 30 years behind the rest of Europe.The London government is about to scrap HS2 and will downgrade proposals for HS3. It seems unlikely the authorities will do anything to address the chronic infrastructure problems in Greater Manchester and that includes the area around our stadium.

The rest of Europe? I can name countries that have next to little public transport. Granted, it could be improved in Manchester.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

The rest of Europe? I can name countries that have next to little public transport. Granted, it could be improved in Manchester.

I have travelled on trains across Europe including Scandanavia, Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, Belgium, Holland, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland for a start. It was cheaper and faster than this country everywhere I went, especially in urban areas. London is the only city in the UK with adequate public transport. The transport infrastructure in North West England is a disgrace. No doubt there are worse places for transport than the UK but not very many.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Yep local workers desperate for work, but the Etihad s right near by. As a said a lot of the jobs taken up at the ground are by agency workers who are not from the area.

Yes some people might get jobs. But in terms of actually living there - I would not want two stadiums and all the traffic that comes with it.

I think that the vast majority of people who live on the housing estates near the ground wont see much benefit from it. Probably get pushed out if anything.

Some of the suggestions on here - a shopping centre and a hotel- do we really need them??? Loads of hotels and shops not even ten minutes away already

I would be happy with as much stuff as possible in & around the site, if I lived there.

Re the 'staff' at the Arena, there are people who work on the bars etc, but there are also people who work on the gig itself. There is a crew comes with the event, then there is a local crew, most of whom come from Manchester & have to wait & hope to be asked, to work on such events & can go for weeks between jobs, whilst still having to pay their bills.

A new venue could double the earnings of some of these people.

 

[jrb]

I have travelled on trains across Europe including Scandanavia, Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, Belgium, Holland, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland for a start. It was cheaper and faster than this country everywhere I went, especially in urban areas. London is the only city in the UK with adequate public transport. The transport infrastructure in North West England is a disgrace. No doubt there are worse places for transport than the UK but not very many.

That's down to lack of invest from successive Governments.

Don't forget, New Labour tried to cancel Metrolink.

If it wasn"t for our city council, Manchester Businesses, the People of Manchester, and a save the Metrolink campaign run by the MEN, New Labour would have cancelled Metrolink.

Let me put into perspective how pathetic our Government's are, regardless of which political party is in power.

The Metrolink line between between Piccadilly Station and the Commonwealth Games stadium should have been ready and up and running for the 2002 Manchester Commonwealth Games. It wasn"t ready and running until 2012. 10 years later!

Regardless of it faults, Metrolink is one of the best Tram networks in this country and in Europe.

 

[pride in battle]

I don't think it will be operated by City.

Its in conjunction WITH Manchester City, there is an article in the Times stating City are behind it and its for EXTRA REVENUE

 

[pride in battle]

Yep local workers desperate for work, but the Etihad s right near by. As a said a lot of the jobs taken up at the ground are by agency workers who are not from the area.

Yes some people might get jobs. But in terms of actually living there - I would not want two stadiums and all the traffic that comes with it.

I think that the vast majority of people who live on the housing estates near the ground wont see much benefit from it. Probably get pushed out if anything.

Some of the suggestions on here - a shopping centre and a hotel- do we really need them??? Loads of hotels and shops not even ten minutes away already

I live in an apartment nearby, it will be fantastic for the area.

 

[pride in battle]

Yep local workers desperate for work, but the Etihad s right near by. As a said a lot of the jobs taken up at the ground are by agency workers who are not from the area.

Yes some people might get jobs. But in terms of actually living there - I would not want two stadiums and all the traffic that comes with it.

I think that the vast majority of people who live on the housing estates near the ground wont see much benefit from it. Probably get pushed out if anything.

Some of the suggestions on here - a shopping centre and a hotel- do we really need them??? Loads of hotels and shops not even ten minutes away already

Hotel next to the new arena and Etihad an absolute no brainer

 

[chesterbells]

I have travelled on trains across Europe including Scandanavia, Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, Belgium, Holland, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland for a start. It was cheaper and faster than this country everywhere I went, especially in urban areas. London is the only city in the UK with adequate public transport. The transport infrastructure in North West England is a disgrace. No doubt there are worse places for transport than the UK but not very many.

I’m keen for @Manc in London to name all the countries he was referring to, cos I was about to post a response similar to yours...

 

[dips66]

I reckon the arena would be just the start of the transformation of the collar site and the wider campus. Would love to see a cross between Belle Vue and Caesars Palace, a huge indoor entertainment complex with a casino, amusement arcades, restaurants, bars, fairground rides and hotels. Achieving the 365 day attraction desired by City.
It could be themed around sport and Manchester music as well as another thing Manchester is famous for being first with.... Computers, what about EA World or even iworld?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

That's down to lack of invest from successive Governments.

Don't forget, New Labour tried to cancel Metrolink.

If it wasn"t for our city council, Manchester Businesses, the People of Manchester, and a save the Metrolink campaign run by the MEN, New Labour would have cancelled Metrolink.

Let me put into perspective how pathetic our Government's are, regardless of which political party is in power.

The Metrolink line between between Piccadilly Station and the Commonwealth Games stadium should have been ready and up and running for the 2002 Manchester Commonwealth Games. It wasn"t ready and running until 2012. 10 years later!

Regardless of it faults, Metrolink is one of the best Tram networks in this country and in Europe.

Agree with all your points except the last sentence. Successive goverments of all political colours have totally neglected transport infrastructure outside London. Scotland, Wales, and most of South West England have been treated even worse than the North West. More than 60 million people live outside London and we have been taken for a ride!

 

[thelongbowman]

Massive complex such as the Genting resort world at the NEC would tick my boxes. Its got everything.