Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

A longish read if anyone wants to read it.

By Mark Davyd, CEO and founder of the Music Venue Trust

The new Co-op Live Arena is currently under construction next to the Etihad Stadium in east Manchester. Regular readers may be aware that I previously discussed the need for such new arenas to financially contribute into the ecosystem that creates the talent that is essential to the future health of their own business. After I made that point, the company that is creating Co-op Live went to the press with a statement to counterpoint that position, making a range of claims about how the arena would help the ecosystem, and about their interactions with Music Venue Trust. Separately, I also received angry emails from Oakview Group (OVG) fiercely objecting to us discussing these issues in public. So, fully expecting a positively overflowing email box full of stuff telling me that this isn’t the way to do things, let’s revisit what those plans are, who Co-op Live are making them with, and why.

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Opinion: Dear Andy and Tim...

The new Co-op Live Arena is currently under construction next to the Etihad Stadium in east Manchester.
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New Century + Factory + CoOp is amazing for Manchester. Can't wait for this new one to open. Let's hope it brings a few pubs or bars with it.
 
jrb said:
A longish read if anyone wants to read it.

By Mark Davyd, CEO and founder of the Music Venue Trust

The new Co-op Live Arena is currently under construction next to the Etihad Stadium in east Manchester. Regular readers may be aware that I previously discussed the need for such new arenas to financially contribute into the ecosystem that creates the talent that is essential to the future health of their own business. After I made that point, the company that is creating Co-op Live went to the press with a statement to counterpoint that position, making a range of claims about how the arena would help the ecosystem, and about their interactions with Music Venue Trust. Separately, I also received angry emails from Oakview Group (OVG) fiercely objecting to us discussing these issues in public. So, fully expecting a positively overflowing email box full of stuff telling me that this isn’t the way to do things, let’s revisit what those plans are, who Co-op Live are making them with, and why.

www.theticketingbusiness.com

Opinion: Dear Andy and Tim...

The new Co-op Live Arena is currently under construction next to the Etihad Stadium in east Manchester.
www.theticketingbusiness.com www.theticketingbusiness.com
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This guys a crank. How much has the AO Arena contributed to grass roots music over the past 30+ years ?? Absolutely fuck all like all the other big venues.

Yet he expects a venue not even open for 10 months so pay up !!

I’m sure he has good intentions but to take the new arena for handouts before it’s even open is ridiculous
 
LEXSTARproject said:
Looks like lighting is being put in as that is ducking for the cables, knowing Network Rail one of their engineers maybe fell getting access, so they spend thousands of pounds doing this, if you want to do a station it cost millions nowadays. need dissabled access and lift knowadays

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I always wonder about that goods line that runs parallel-ish with Bradford Road. Looking on Google it goes into both Piccadilly & Victoria stations. Surely using it is as a sort of shuttle on match days could be an option???
 
Prophet of Doom said:
This guys a crank. How much has the AO Arena contributed to grass roots music over the past 30+ years ?? Absolutely fuck all like all the other big venues.

Yet he expects a venue not even open for 10 months so pay up !!

I’m sure he has good intentions but to take the new arena for handouts before it’s even open is ridiculous
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The literal target of MVT’s campaign is the eight NEW arenas scheduled for opening. That’s the point, OVG, ASM etc are only investing in these projects because of the huge differential in returns compared to the older arenas. Some of that should be used to support the next generation of arena artists in a meaningful way.

Long term, of course everyone wants there to be a standard arena levy to support grassroots infrastructure but that sort of blanket change would require legislation.
 
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The literal target of MVT’s campaign is the eight NEW arenas scheduled for opening. That’s the point, OVG, ASM etc are only investing in these projects because of the huge differential in returns compared to the older arenas. Some of that should be used to support the next generation of arena artists in a meaningful way.

Long term, of course everyone wants there to be a standard arena levy to support grassroots infrastructure but that sort of blanket change would require legislation.
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Arenas have operated in the UK for 35+ years. The operators have not spent a bean on grass roots venues.

Oak View and City invest 300m on their first venture and this clown approaches them to start paying a levy for grass roots venues. Genius !

That seems completely legit. Maybe they should charge Stadiums a fee to fund Arena shows - you know….Arena bands are the stadium bands of the future.

There are huge issues in the live music industry - tbe Live Nation Ticketmaster tie up / surge pricing / Venues stealing percentages from artists - but asking new Arena’s that have not started trading to fund small venues is a non starter.
 
Prophet of Doom said:
Arenas have operated in the UK for 35+ years. The operators have not spent a bean on grass roots venues.

Oak View and City invest 300m on their first venture and this clown approaches them to start paying a levy for grass roots venues. Genius !

That seems completely legit. Maybe they should charge Stadiums a fee to fund Arena shows - you know….Arena bands are the stadium bands of the future.

There are huge issues in the live music industry - tbe Live Nation Ticketmaster tie up / surge pricing / Venues stealing percentages from artists - but asking new Arena’s that have not started trading to fund small venues is a non starter.
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Unless I misread it The Coop Live are putting a million (a year?) into grassroots venues, he wants them to up it to £2.5mill.
 
Prophet of Doom said:
Arenas have operated in the UK for 35+ years. The operators have not spent a bean on grass roots venues.

Oak View and City invest 300m on their first venture and this clown approaches them to start paying a levy for grass roots venues. Genius !

That seems completely legit. Maybe they should charge Stadiums a fee to fund Arena shows - you know….Arena bands are the stadium bands of the future.

There are huge issues in the live music industry - tbe Live Nation Ticketmaster tie up / surge pricing / Venues stealing percentages from artists - but asking new Arena’s that have not started trading to fund small venues is a non starter.
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It's not just Oak View and City that he's targeting, it's every operator currently building a new arena in the UK. The reason the Co-Op has been singled out is that they're the only operator who isn't engaging with the idea.

And yes, there have been arenas operating in the UK for 35+ years, but the disparity between the profits made at arena level and the precarity of grassroots and club-size venues has never been remotely as great. Particularly post-lockdown.

Put it this way: small venues are feeder clubs. They do all the development of new talent, and a very select few outgrow them. Should they not be compensated for that? I don't know if it's detailed in the accounts, and don't have them to hand, but City must effectively make £4-5m in solidarity payments to EFL clubs per year, do you object to that as well?
 
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Screen grab from the drone video.

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Coop Live - Twitter

Here's the moment the final acoustic cassette was dropped into place, signed by all of our amazing construction workers, partners and friends. Look how far we have come!

 
Slightly off topic, but in-keeping with new arenas.

TBH, It's hardly a stunner.

The proposed 12,500 capacity Sage arena in Newcastle has just been approved.

Updated plans for the 12,500-capacity Sage Arena and International Conference Centre, along with a park, have been rubber-stamped – although the timeline for delivery has been pushed back.

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jrb said:
Slightly off topic, but in-keeping with new arenas.

TBh, It's hardly a stunner.

The proposed 12,500 capacity Sage arena in Newcastle has just been approved.

Updated plans for the 12,500-capacity Sage Arena and International Conference Centre, along with a park, have been rubber-stamped – although the timeline for delivery has been pushed back.

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Looks like a mid sized shopping centre

We wont see the beauty of the Co-op Live until its finished and the led matrix display is in operation
 
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It would be good if the hotel went with the bigger fins, looks more striking than the little fins they have gone with NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY - SAILING CENTER. The bigger fins stand out more and make the building look amazing instead of looking like a Travelodge. Having the bigger fins would also tie in with the badge with sails on it @jrb
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