Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

[geoffchall]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Not sure how well a hotel by the stadium would go down.

I know there will be the met link soon but it's still a bit out of the way of most of the things you would want to come to manchester for, barring city ofc.
There would be a lot better options in town

and the Velodrome, the BMX Arena, the athletics track and the squash centre. Yes we are the bulk of Sportscity, but not the totality.

 

[Rammyblues]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

I know there will be the met link soon but it's still a bit out of the way of most of the things you would want to come to manchester for, barring city ofc.
There would be a lot better options in town

What could you do in town that that sort of hotel complex could not provide especially if for overnight and couple of day stop overs?

No doubt would have a casino, restaurant may have several. Tram link to town only taking five minutes but situated in a quiet area no hassle.

 

[jrb]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

I know there will be the met link soon but it's still a bit out of the way of most of the things you would want to come to manchester for, barring city ofc.
There would be a lot better options in town

What could you do in town that that sort of hotel complex could not provide especially if for overnight and couple of day stop overs?

No doubt would have a casino, restaurant may have several. Tram link to town only taking five minutes but situated in a quiet area no hassle.

The players could stay there overnight before a home match. At the moment they use the Lowry in town.

Home fans and away fans, especially those coming for a CL match could use it instead of staying in hotels in the city centre. Not to mention concert goers, etc.Then there's conferences, etc. With town only 10 minutes away by Metrolink, there's no reason not to stay.

Imagine the revenue a 150-200 bed hotel could generate, not only on match days, but throughout the year. Manchester city centre hotels are currently running between 75-80% full each week.

 

[Metal Biker]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

If i've said it once, i'll say it again;

"Better to have, and not need, than need, and not have."

Works in certain circumstances and makes bugger all sense in others. I don't want my kid to have lots of stuff he doesn't need just because he wanrs them.

Big difference between need and want. such as when you want something you can do with out it, but when you need something it becomes essential.

In 3 years time would you want the club to only THEN start taking advantage of the increase in matchday revenue (bearing in mind they'd have to take MORE years in upgrading the stadium)?

I really do not get the thinking that puts people off the idea of increasing the size of the stadium because "it'll look silly if we don't sell out and the Rags will laugh at us if it's not full"

As said, it's better to have and not need, than need and not have. I want the club to take advantage of any increase in capacity for matchday attendance rises, be it an extra 12,000 or 1,200. In any case we need to start looking at ways to make the club self sufficient and increased capacity is one of them (no matter how much or little stadium attendances affect income in today's "modern" game)

 

[unexpected item]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

There's an Urban Forum entitled 'Ten Years After! What is the Legacy of the 2002 Commonwealth Games for Manchester?' next week (Tuesday 10th Jul) which is free to attend. Pete Bradshaw from City is on the panel.

Ticket details here: http://www.eventbrite.com/event/2994509659

 

[jrb]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Let's be honest, even if it cost Mansour £100mill to increase the capacity of COMS to 60,000, would he miss the money? Of course he wouldn't.

That capcity increase alone would bring in an extra £6mill a year(12,000 x £500 season tickets) in season ticket sales alone. No doubt corporate facilites would be expanded as well, which City are desperate to do. Then you've got the extra spend on food, drink, merchandise, etc. City could easily be looking at an extra £10mill a season in income if they expanded the stadium.<br /><br />-- Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:12 pm --<br /><br />

There's an Urban Forum entitled 'Ten Years After! What is the Legacy of the 2002 Commonwealth Games for Manchester?' next week (Tuesday 10th Jul) which is free to attend. Pete Bradshaw from City is on the panel.

Ticket details here: http://www.eventbrite.com/event/2994509659

Thanks for that Unexpected.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

I think the idea of a seperate structure joined on to other stuff, such as hotels etc, is what will end up happening.

I think the surrounding area will then make an absolute fortune & pay for the development quite quickly.

If there was suitable accomodation, the Sheikh & his mates could visit whenever they chose. His mates may want to use the leisure facilities etc & could possibly spend a lot of money there, helping with the FFP.

Nudge/wink.

 

[Gordyola]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

I know there will be the met link soon but it's still a bit out of the way of most of the things you would want to come to manchester for, barring city ofc.
There would be a lot better options in town

What could you do in town that that sort of hotel complex could not provide especially if for overnight and couple of day stop overs?

No doubt would have a casino, restaurant may have several. Tram link to town only taking five minutes but situated in a quiet area no hassle.

The players could stay there overnight before a home match. At the moment they use the Lowry in town.

Home fans and away fans, especially those coming for a CL match could use it instead of staying in hotels in the city centre. Not to mention concert goers, etc.Then there's conferences, etc. With town only 10 minutes away by Metrolink, there's no reason not to stay.

Imagine the revenue a 150-200 bed hotel could generate, not only on match days, but throughout the year. Manchester city centre hotels are currently running between 75-80% full each week.

The players will be staying in the Campus training ground hotel 30+ rooms for first and academy players will be included

 

[nmc]

Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Can see the logic of building a hotel but can't see our owners putting up something to rival Sacha's or the Travel lodge - suspect it will be a high end 6 or 7 star hotel looking to attract the corporate types to make a weekend of it - in possibly the best hotel in the UK.


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[Gordyola]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Your wrong on the roof Kramer. Yes it is a mono-structure, but it can be modified.

An overview of the stadium design is covered in this ARUP PDF document:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.getyourkitsout.com/designing%20the%20COMSTAD.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.getyourkitsout.com/designing ... OMSTAD.pdf</a>

The roof is a Cable-Net roof with a tension-ring about a third of the way back from the front around the front of the roof. The tension ring is placed under tension by cables that are anchored at the 4 corners of the stadium and most of the weight of the roof supported from the 12 masts (4 on each side and 2 at each end).

So long as the tension ring remains in place it is a relatively straight forward process (though not cheap) to raise the height of the roof at the back of the North and South Stands to add 10 to 14 thousand to the existing capacity. Probably by taking the panels off at either end of the ground and to restructure the Cable-Nets to add new tiers at either end of the ground with the back roof supports higher up (initially, the reverse of the process that added the roof after the Commonwealth games).

However, that is about as far as you can get without raising the tension ring (i.e. rainwater has to drain via the back of the stands). I believe the club want the stadium to be bigger than 60,000 in the long term so I would suspect a wholly new roof structure will be built that is independent of the existing Stadium structure to allow future expansion to be made easier.

In addition everybody should note that the club could have sold TWICE the corporate space they have for next season and as this earns the most money (for FFP compliance and future profitability ). So as such I expect any immediate ground changes to take this into account.

I think you are making light of a very difficult task The whole geometry of the cable-net (not nets) will change with the re-configured tension due to the height. Additional spirals would have to be added for access to the new upper tiers, the current spirals support anchor points for the cable-net will this be the case for the new ends? I also would expect the the overall length of the cables would change I have read the document you linked, Ive linked it myself on here, numerous times and dont find any reference to increasing the size of the stadium in fact all comments I have heard have said that no provision was made for increase in capacity Obviously anything is possible the problem I see is not cost but a building site and with H&S regulations in the UK I can envisage the capacity being considerably reduced for a extended period