We're not planning on turning into North Korea if we vote out. Most outers are broadly pro-European outward looking folk who see no reason to continue to belong to an undemocratic, overly regulated, corrupt, customs union. Some of you see disaster and danger, I see freedom and opportunity. I'll be voting to leave for positive reasons because I believe it to be in the best interests of my country, and in the long term, in the best interests of the rest of Europe as they realise how well nations can prosper outside the EU.
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It's a pity Brexit will never happen. It could have prevented a spiral downwards of our freedoms and economic well-being.
Unfortunately for a Democracy to thrive, requires an informed and politically awake electorate.The controlled MSM ensures the sleeple are kept in a sombulent condition and distracted by irrelevant issues. I fear that only collapse ,chaos and reset will be the end result. The informed and aware are but a small minority despite the great advances in modern communications.
Unfortunately for a Democracy to thrive, requires an informed and politically awake electorate.The controlled MSM ensures the sleeple are kept in a sombulent condition and distracted by irrelevant issues. I fear that only collapse ,chaos and reset will be the end result. The informed and aware are but a small minority despite the great advances in modern communications.
Len Rum
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Funnily enough it's the little Englanders who constantly moan about the EU who will bottle it on the day and vote to stay in.If you're calling people who support the struggle for independence with a legislature elected by the people "little Englanders" then I'm calling those who wish to remain in a growing totalitarian state "the enemies of democracy".
I have the facts on my side too; the calling of people "little Englanders" is a purely emotional thing
They will then continue to moan the following day.
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You could argue the electorate has been dumbed down by modern communication?It's a pity Brexit will never happen. It could have prevented a spiral downwards of our freedoms and economic well-being.
Unfortunately for a Democracy to thrive, requires an informed and politically awake electorate.The controlled MSM ensures the sleeple are kept in a sombulent condition and distracted by irrelevant issues. I fear that only collapse ,chaos and reset will be the end result. The informed and aware are but a small minority despite the great advances in modern communications.
They'll vote the way a celeb or uncle wupert tells them.
Len Rum
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We need a big personality who can take those sentiments and convince the electorate that Britain can thrive outside the EU and in the process rediscover it's identity as a nation state.We're not planning on turning into North Korea if we vote out. Most outers are broadly pro-European outward looking folk who see no reason to continue to belong to an undemocratic, overly regulated, corrupt, customs union. Some of you see disaster and danger, I see freedom and opportunity. I'll be voting to leave for positive reasons because I believe it to be in the best interests of my country, and in the long term, in the best interests of the rest of Europe as they realise how well nations can prosper outside the EU.
BoJo and Theresa May have bottled it and Gove is wavering. At the moment we have a rag,tag and bobtail of characters leading the Out campaign but without a credible big hitter the campaign could be doomed.
BlueHammer85
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We're not planning on turning into North Korea if we vote out. Most outers are broadly pro-European outward looking folk who see no reason to continue to belong to an undemocratic, overly regulated, corrupt, customs union. Some of you see disaster and danger, I see freedom and opportunity. I'll be voting to leave for positive reasons because I believe it to be in the best interests of my country, and in the long term, in the best interests of the rest of Europe as they realise how well nations can prosper outside the EU.
I don't see disaster or danger either way. Our personal lives will barely change whatever the outcome - I would just rather be in a EU that works and all nations help each other - I feel we should continue working for that rather than turning our backs like a nation of 'we're alright jacks'
I don't see disaster or danger either way. Our personal lives will barely change whatever the outcome - I would just rather be in a EU that works and all nations help each other - I feel we should continue working for that rather than turning our backs like a nation of 'we're alright jacks'
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Our current role in the EU is to give countries with lesser economies money (or fish), be that with our nation's surplus in contributions, benefits that workers here are able to send home, having a significantly higher minimum wage, etc.
What we should be doing is saying "our economy is outperforming yours - can we share what we're doing so that you can choose whether or not to replicate it" (or teaching other countries to fish). Unfortunately, a lot of economies are in the pan because of the Euro deliberately being kept low.
Sadly, the short-sighted nature of governments mean that the rest of Europe would prefer short term cash, and I resent having to give it to them.
blueonblue
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Maybe not at first, but by the time your kids grow up they will be fully under the EU jackboot, the freedoms and rights fought for by generations will be gone, along with their ability to change things with votes or the law.
Perhaps taking off the "Magic" glasses that let you see things like an EU that works are nothing but a figment of your imagination, that its some nations helping themselves rather than others, face the fact we have no real sway in how this corruption riddled gathering operates.
Vote out an free this country before its to late.
Perhaps taking off the "Magic" glasses that let you see things like an EU that works are nothing but a figment of your imagination, that its some nations helping themselves rather than others, face the fact we have no real sway in how this corruption riddled gathering operates.
Vote out an free this country before its to late.
urmston
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Would we have voted to stay in the EU in 1975 if we'd known it would become a low growth, high unemployment region, full of racial and social tensions and with little harmony between member nations?
And that the rules would change so that millions of workers from new member states would be able to come here and suppress wages for the working class, a policy Labour's Jack Straw has called a 'spectacular mistake'?
No.
So vote Leave.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
And that the rules would change so that millions of workers from new member states would be able to come here and suppress wages for the working class, a policy Labour's Jack Straw has called a 'spectacular mistake'?
No.
So vote Leave.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
Would we have voted to stay in the EU in 1975 if we'd known it would become a low growth, high unemployment region, full of racial and social tensions and with little harmony between member nations?
And that the rules would change so that millions of workers from new member states would be able to come here and suppress wages for the working class, a policy Labour's Jack Straw has called a 'spectacular mistake'?
No.
So vote Leave.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219
I wouldn't have voted to join if I'd known how it would turn out. Not for the reasons you've given, much more because 28 countries committed to ever increasing unity just will not work.
But the world has changed since '75. Pulling out will be immensely more expensive than never joining.