EU referendum deal (title edited)

Cameron is a conservative.
Conservatives are fundamentally averse to europe.
So why is he so desperate to stay in?
The french and german people have a different take on democracy to us, what with rent controls, 40 hour week etc. things that the tory party has opposed in every way.
I wonder, could leaving open the way to the EU passing laws that disadvantage our money men in the banking sector ( tory to a man )
Canary Wharf moving to Frankfurt? The immigrant problem could just be a smokescreen, .....whatever . Wouldn't be the first time a politician has misled the public, surely wont be the last.
 
I predict this will be the basis of Cameron's next public speech....

I promised you a referendum before the end of 2017 and I will deliver. I came to this summit hoping to secure a deal that would be the best for Britain, and whilst I achieved many of my stated objectives I don't think what was finally offered was the best deal for Britain. I also told you that I would only accept the best deal.

Therefore I will not accept what has been offered and I will return to the negotiating table to make sure we get the best for Britain. What this means is that it would not be wise for the British people to vote in a referendum in June but for us to come back to the negotiating table and secure a better, the best deal for Britain. I promised you we'd have a referendum by the end of 2017 and I also promised I'd get the best deal for Britain and I intend to deliver on both.

Which if you summarise it means "I've failed"
 
Cant argue with this from John Ward:https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/100-reasons-for-eu-brexit/
Whether your main interest is equality, liberty, democracy, economic survival, sovereignty, debt reduction, increased export potential, encouraging entrepreneurs, fiscal independence, social fairness, overpopulation, community mutualism or calling leaders to account, it has become abundantly clear since 2008 that you will have to forfeit every one of these aspirations if your preference is to stay within the European Union.

The EU is run by an unelected élite which largely ignores the individual, ignores election results, ignores State sovereignty, ignores debt mountains, ignores currency realities, ignores poverty, ignores its responsibilities and above all, ignores every legal and constitutional obstacle in its way.

It is dominated by a Germany sailing at Full Ahead Both towards a confrontation with co-founder France. It puts the banking system before citizens. It puts corporate shareholder needs before workers’ rights. And it puts The Great Federal Project before any considerations of cost, practicality, Member State rights, social anthropology and freedoms of speech........
 
Len Rum said:
Make or break decision time for Boris.
If he falls in behind Dave ( as some are suggesting on the back of some promise on "sovereignty" Whatever TF that means) , then I think his PM ambitions are gone. Everyone knows his sentiments are anti EU and if he plays safe and meekly tows the pro EU line then he will be seen as a bottler.
On the other hand if he follows his anti EU convictions he could become the 'big hitter' that the OUT lobby needs. The public would then have a chance to judge him as a serious player leading that campaign. Rise to the occasion and it would tremendously boost his PM credentials when Dave eventually exits stage left.
If we voted to leave he would be nailed on as the next PM, but even in the event of the In campaign being successful I still think he wouldn't have harmed his chances in what will still be a Eurosceptic Tory Party and country ( particularly if the vote is close).
Cometh the hour, cometh the Bo Jo?
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I think Boris is so unique amongst the candidates that he'll be a contender regardless of his position on the EU. Hope he does go for the out camp though. I'm most surprised about Theresa May stepping in line after her speech at the Tory party conference in Manchester. Might have put her alongside the front runners if she'd lead the UK out but as it stands she's well behind Boris and Osbourne.

bellbuzzer said:
Cameron is a conservative.
Conservatives are fundamentally averse to europe.
So why is he so desperate to stay in?
The french and german people have a different take on democracy to us, what with rent controls, 40 hour week etc. things that the tory party has opposed in every way.
I wonder, could leaving open the way to the EU passing laws that disadvantage our money men in the banking sector ( tory to a man )
Canary Wharf moving to Frankfurt? The immigrant problem could just be a smokescreen, .....whatever . Wouldn't be the first time a politician has misled the public, surely wont be the last.
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My bet is that he's very keen (as a lot of politicians are) on a cushty EU role after he steps down as PM. It's an absolute gravy train and that, IMO, is the reason why there's so much disconnect between the general population and politicians on the topic. They're looking out for themselves.
 
the plasterer said:
can anyone please explain the best reasons for staying in the eu and the best reasons for getting out??, this simpleton plasterer just dont get it, ta very much
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Simples.
We stay in,no change, things carry on as normal,no risk.
We leave,big risk (mainly economic ,also legal), but also lots of opportunities, we could flourish outside the EU and learn more about ourselves as a country.
 
Len Rum said:
Simples.
We stay in,no change, things carry on as normal,no risk.
We leave,big risk (mainly economic ,also legal), but also lots of opportunities, we could flourish outside the EU and learn more about ourselves as a country.
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I wouldn't say staying in is no change. There is the ultimate EU goal of ever closer union and if you have immigration concerns then they could sky rocket in the next 5 years. Once the millions of refugees across Europe qualify for passports then freedom of movement allows them to go wherever they want and the UK is a popular destination. That's not even mentioning the possibility of Turkey joining.
 
CityStu said:
I wouldn't say staying in is no change. There is the ultimate EU goal of ever closer union and if you have immigration concerns then they could sky rocket in the next 5 years. Once the millions of refugees across Europe qualify for passports then freedom of movement allows them to go wherever they want and the UK is a popular destination. That's not even mentioning the possibility of Turkey joining.
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This alone should be enough for any sane person of voting age who is either British or currently residing here to vote out and not touch the EU with a shitty stick.
 
The deal will be rubbish.

I'll have fun watching the fanatically pro-EU Guardian and BBC pretending it isn't so people don't vote Leave.

Then I'll vote Leave.
 
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