EU referendum

[Metalartin]

I say we vote in, see plenty of things we'd lose(some of the services we rely on in all sorts of areas like social care rely themselves on EU funding which pretty much means we lose them all together given that even the NHS is struggling), along with cost increases such as fuel prices... in short some pretty huge impacts to be felt if we do leave.

What do we really gain from leaving or better put in what ways would we REALLY benefit from it? None of the this blind speculation and oh we are fine on our own talk... seriously do people really make decisions this way on votes?

The EU is one thing but I hope people are sarcastically championing a European superstate? That's one step closer to the global state people have been warning of for years, the common man stands no chance when things turn bad in that scenario.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

That is interesting. Do the French give a reason they want to leave the EU? Is it just down to out of control migration?
It's hard enough for us to secure our borders and we have a f*cking moat around us which the French don't have so I don't know how they envisage a secure France after a Frexit.
They also get a disproportionate level of agricultural subsidies so the reason for them wanting to leave cannot be financial. It would be mad for them to turn their backs on subsidies.

This sounds a lot classier than a Brexit. Wonder if we could have Swexit, or a Nexit? A Spexit, or a Polexit? Let's all fuck off, leave Luxembourg as the single member of a highly politically unified group, and the rest of us can dust off what the Common Market began as!

 

[hgblue]

I say we vote in, see plenty of things we'd lose(some of the services we rely on in all sorts of areas like social care rely themselves on EU funding which pretty much means we lose them all together given that even the NHS is struggling), along with cost increases such as fuel prices... in short some pretty huge impacts to be felt if we do leave.

What do we really gain from leaving or better put in what ways would we REALLY benefit from it? None of the this blind speculation and oh we are fine on our own talk... seriously do people really make decisions this way on votes?

The EU is one thing but I hope people are sarcastically championing a European superstate? That's one step closer to the global state people have been warning of for years, the common man stands no chance when things turn bad in that scenario.

So the EU takes our money, gives us roughly half of it back, pockets the rest, and this is a good reason to stay in?

 

[blueonblue]

I say we vote in, see plenty of things we'd lose(some of the services we rely on in all sorts of areas like social care rely themselves on EU funding which pretty much means we lose them all together given that even the NHS is struggling), along with cost increases such as fuel prices... in short some pretty huge impacts to be felt if we do leave.

The EU do not fund ANYTHING, they give us part of our own money back while keeping a huge chunk to fund the gravy train, so getting out means more money to fund these things.

They are a parasite that takes a cut of every sale & purchase, so losing this self imposed middle man and the mountain of red tape being the only thing they bring to the table will lead to cost decreases.

 

[Metalartin]

So the EU takes our money, gives us roughly half of it back, pockets the rest, and this is a good reason to stay in?

The EU do not fund ANYTHING, they give us part of our own money back while keeping a huge chunk to fund the gravy train, so getting out means more money to fund these things.

Well I have a family member who actually works in an EU funded sector and they tell me otherwise... I may have misheard them but if not I'd be taking their word over yours on how that works. From what I hear the whole department are fearing for their jobs seems pretty unlikely they'd be doing that if what you say is true, it might be that our gov would piss away the money elsewhere as they always seem to do.

I really don't know it seems with the costs of fuel and goods that In and Out now giving the same arguments as plus for their side of the arguement... time will tell on who was talking shit if we vote out and things turn to shit or not I suppose.

 

[kas_tippler]

An MEP described Brussels as 'the capital of Europe' yesterday and for that reason I'm out.

 

[Metalartin]

They are a parasite that takes a cut of every sale & purchase, so losing this self imposed middle man and the mountain of red tape being the only thing they bring to the table will lead to cost decreases.

Do you honestly believe prices or taxes would go down by any significant amount from where they are even if they were in a position to do it?

 

[Metal Biker]

Well I have a family member who actually works in an EU funded sector and they tell me otherwise...

Circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because....

 

[hgblue]

Well I have a family member who actually works in an EU funded sector and they tell me otherwise... I may have misheard them but if not I'd be taking their word over yours on how that works. From what I hear the whole department are fearing for their jobs seems pretty unlikely they'd be doing that if what you say is true, it might be that our gov would piss away the money elsewhere as they always seem to do.

I really don't know it seems with the costs of fuel and goods that In and Out now giving the same arguments as plus for their side of the arguement... time will tell on who was talking shit if we vote out and things turn to shit or not I suppose.

We can fund everything that's currently EU funded and still be 9 billion quid better off every year. In fact, it's got to be more efficient and make more sense to fund these things directly than to send the money to Brussels and have an unelected bureaucrat decide where to sepnd our money. Those on the In side struggling to think of anything better to spend 9 billion quid a year on?

 

[malg]

Apologies if this is being done already and I've missed it. Is there any chance we could have update each week on the movement of the Board regarding this issue? I think the 'out' camp have been winning since very early on, but has the gap mainly stayed as it is, or has it grown?