EU referendum

[MillionMilesAway]

We only elect 73. There are 751 MEP's, 100 more than our own House of Commons and the UK MEP's are outvoted every time.

In a wholly implausible yet still factually possible scenario, we, the British public, could elect politicians of a major political party in the UK, that promises to introduce a bill to abolish the HoL if elected (wasn't Blair aiming to do that in the early 2000's, btw?), becoming elected into power by popular vote of the British public, thus giving the majority controling party the power to enact the bill, who then appoint "turkey's for christmas" Lords to approve it. The EU Commission would never create a bill proposing the closure of the EU Commission for those MEP's in the EP to vote on. There's the difference. There is no method or system that would allow us, the British public, to do such a thing.

Spun into wrongness.
You say: The HoC could. The EU won't.

That's just not true, is it? They both could, neither will.

 

[Metal Biker]

Good question but then i would not have us in the position we are in now. I would not have said we would have a referendum.
I have no faith in Dave in anything he does so i would have to see what happens rather than predict. They may go through or they may be used as a strengthened bargaining point for the EU.
I am not happy that the Election funding scandal has not been given more prominence as i am not sure wether this tory government is legal but as it is currently wrapped up in legal moves, the press say they cannot report it.

As we are in the EU i would say those that have switched are Brexit. Those that feel they do not trust him may well be voting out for that reason. Yes some may switch to remain on his words but would you trust him?, the vote is much bigger than what one dope has said.

I've never trusted Cameron and never voted Conserative for the reason I think he's a slimy little...person who's only out to look out for himself and his elitist cronies.

The reforms he's promised went a long way for me to consider me voting to remain, on the basis that he'd get the reforms approved. Then the realisation comes out that he's only secured a 'proposal' that the EU would 'look at the reforms' and that the likelyhood is that, because the way the EU is set up, they would reject them outright.

That wasn't enough for me to declare support for the EU anymore and the rhetoric coming out of the EU that "a vote in means the UK is supportive of the idea of an EU centralized power and they should stop trying to have things their own way" just sealed it for me that the EU was not something I wanted to see materialise.

But then again, i'm just a far right, racist, uneducated, little englander. (Not aiming this at you as ever being a slur you've used against me or anyone else on this forum. Just highlighting what i've had to deal with whne arguing what I feel are geuinely understandable reasons for my decision to vote leave)

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

someones thrown their toys out boo hoo

it was what's called replying in kind, beyond your cognitive capabilities clearly.

 

[Metal Biker]

Spun into wrongness.
You say: The HoC could. The EU won't.

That's just not true, is it? They both could, neither will.

Why would the EC propose a bill to eliminate itself?

The House of LORDS wouldn;t accept a bill to be eliminated, but then it wouldn't be their decision to propose it. The HoL could vote to block or reject the bill, but since they are appointed and can be appointed by MP's, or likeminded individuals who wish to become Lords to destroy the HoL from within, the scenario could theoretically happen.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

i can happily say it with the same certainty that you can say it will be protected if we leave, which was really the point.

I can't say with any certainty that it'll be protected if we leave. I completely agree with you that the Tory wolves would love to pounce on the NHS.

But the real point is if they start that process, we can kick them out in 2020, if not before. If the EU stitch up the NHS (or any other public service) through TTIP then it doesn't matter what we do.

It's not much of a choice I agree but I'd prefer to take my chances with the Tories rather than the EU.



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[Zuriblue]

Make sure you take a black pen with you just been told they're using pencils FFS.

http://newsthump.com/2016/06/23/massive-eu-referendum-conspiracy-foiled-after-voter-uses-a-pen/

A huge and complex rigging of a nationwide referendum has come apart at the seams thanks to the wonder of pens.

The government, the Rothschilds, the lizard people and/or the Royal Family had all nailed down a foolproof rigging system to ensure that Britain would remain in the EU.

“But now the bastards are using pens!” cried Simon Williams, Head of Conspiracy over at MI5.

“We can’t use rubbers on pens, believe me, I’ve just given it a go.

 

[Blue Mooner]

No, i am pointing out our democracy is the same as the the EU elections. Brexit continually harp they are unelected, they are not.
It seems you are not happy and are even less happy that it is clear there is very little difference. You have not swallowed their lies have you?
I voted for Afzal Khan in the EU election. He represents me as he is a Labour party nominee and he represented the idea closest to me, just as i did Jeff Smith as he is the Labour party candidate.

Ken, I'm fighting a losing battle here. It is so blatantly not the same I'm genuinely astonished that you can't see the difference. So you voted for Afzal Khan representing labour as MEP.

When you voted for him, what EU policies was he promising to implement if elected as the MEP in the EU parliament and under which party in the EU were those policies going to be Implemented?

I suspect the answer is you had no idea because those laws are conceived by the EU commission behind closed doors and then passed to those MEPs to be approved, effectively waved through.

 

[aguero93:20]

We only elect 73. There are 751 MEP's, 100 more than our own House of Commons and the UK MEP's are outvoted every time.

Yet in the HOC, you personally have only voted for one candidate, if the candidate you voted for actually gets elected. The area you live in has probably elected 4/5.

 

[The Chief]

I saw a lot of people on Twitter telling people to take pens to the polls. Guess some people really are that paranoid.

Far from being paranoia, I wouldn't bet against votes being altered to achieve the government's wish. The British are no better than others in that there will always be an unseen level of corruption.

 

[Blue Mooner]

The unelected peers in the HoL already have the power to veto laws. Dave has been hammered numerous times.
The EU works the same, the Parliament puts forward the proposals after months of negotiation and the top boys then either see it through or ask the Parliament amend what is needed.

Wrong again, the House of Lords under the act of Parliament can veto very few laws.