EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Matty said:
I think a lot of people who are voting, whether that be to leave or remain, are doing so from a position of limited information. The complexities relating to the EU, and the impact on the country and the population, of either staying or going are vast, way too huge for your average member of the public to have the time to get their heads around and fully understand. That's the truly scary thing, people are making such a fundamentally important decision with extremely limited information, and in some cases a complete lack of understanding. There should never have been a referendum, it's beyond stupid to expect your average member of the public (let alone some of the morons in this country) to have the time, inclination or intellect to grasp all the issues and make a fully informed decision on something so complex. I like to think I'm a fairly intelligent person and I'm still taking a punt, hazarding a guess, at what's the best decision to make.
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This is why I'm using the combined intellect of bluemoon to form a well balanced view. I'm voting alien
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
They don't, nor do they need to because our representative speaks on our behalf to discuss issues regarding South Manchester to the House of Commons.

Natrually, since Labour has a majority here, it is the Labour party that speaks on behalf of the citizens that have elected them.

Switch to the EP and you have one side which states we need MORE EU integration, LESS EU integration and others which promote environmental issues within Europe.

Are our MP's we voted in to the House of Commons represent us also at the European Parliament? No, they aren't. We vote for MEP's separately on the issues regarding Europe. I fear that with more and more power being given to the EP, the 'little voices' become ignored even more than they are now.
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The MEPS you voted for represent you in the EP, it's no different.

Here's your quote from a few pages back again

Mëtal Bikër said:
We only elect 73. There are 751 MEP's, 100 more than our own House of Commons and the UK MEP's are outvoted every time.
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So what's your problem, do you want Britain to be in charge of the EU? Maybe the UK system is rotten because Manchester only has around 7% of MPs instead of 51% and Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems won't shut up and agree with what I want?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
And those who accuse others of being 'far right' without any plausible deductive reasoning other than "i disagree with you!" are something much, much worse.
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I reasoned from your posts that you were far right. Many of the points you raise I've seen on far right social media and far right conspiracy stuff.
 
I have had people at work who haven't mentioned it until today, discussing it, and nearly all were for leaving, only I said remain and one other.
 
Matty said:
I think a lot of people who are voting, whether that be to leave or remain, are doing so from a position of limited information. The complexities relating to the EU, and the impact on the country and the population, of either staying or going are vast, way too huge for your average member of the public to have the time to get their heads around and fully understand. That's the truly scary thing, people are making such a fundamentally important decision with extremely limited information, and in some cases a complete lack of understanding. There should never have been a referendum, it's beyond stupid to expect your average member of the public (let alone some of the morons in this country) to have the time, inclination or intellect to grasp all the issues and make a fully informed decision on something so complex. I like to think I'm a fairly intelligent person and I'm still taking a punt, hazarding a guess, at what's the best decision to make.
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This is a very good point, I frankly don't swallow a lot of the arguments on either side. You could say my voting choice is a vote for stability.
 
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