EU referendum

[YPhrunts]

I'm guessing all the immigrants already here are voting leave to stop immigrants coming over stealing their jobs.

That's actually the case in some of the interviews I've heard. Some immigrants don't want any more to come because they can see an increase in numbers as queering their pitch.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

I can't say with any certainty that it'll be protected if we leave. I completely agree with you that the Tory wolves would love to pounce on the NHS.

But the real point is if they start that process, we can kick them out in 2020, if not before. If the EU stitch up the NHS (or any other public service) through TTIP then it doesn't matter what we do.

It's not much of a choice I agree but I'd prefer to take my chances with the Tories rather than the EU.

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I'll take mine with the EU, :) by the time they sort out TTIP hopefully the tories are history. They will pull every stunt going to stay in until 2020.
The tories are on the blocs with this referendum being the starter pistol for the carve up and once its gone, its gone.
Time is not a commodity on this one.
Corbyn has already said he would block TTIP, so that should swing those truly worried by TTIP.

That's not how the EU legislative process works Ken. The Commission puts forward the proposals but it can do that in one of two ways.

Normally these would go to both the Parliament and the Council of Ministers who would discuss them. If they're not happy they can send them back to the Commission with amendments. They'll then go to a second reading and if they still don't agree it gets dropped. Basically that's not dissimilar to what we have in the UK. In fact it's probably a bit better as the Commission can't steamroller anything through, which the UK government can do.

But for the really strategic stuff, they don't need Parliament to agree, they just need to consult it.

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Moot but as you say is not dissimilar if not better which is the point i have being trying to make.
As for the strategic stuff yes they consult it but they do not push through things that are not acceptable for all which as you say the tories would.
For example the Euro and the zone have not been pushed on us, exploding the EU don't listen to the UK myth, and lets be honest, they are really strategic.

 

[Manc in London]

[QUOTE="manctheknife, post: 9526062, member: 7816] people know a damn sight more about the machinations of Europe than they did. [/QUOTE]

I am not sure about that. It appears that a lot of lies and half truths, delivered by both sides, have formed a considerable part of the debate. It doesn't help when you have the likes of Boris Johnson responding to well reasoned arguments, raised by academics and institutions, by retorting simply with comments like 'absolute rubbish' and 'poppycock'.

Personally, I feel there are strong arguments/justifications for both leave and remain but the standard of debate has been rather disappointing. To be honest, I am rather embarrassed that those involved are in positions of power. I have heard better quality debates in pubs at around closing time.

 

[argyle]

That's actually the case in some of the interviews I've heard. Some immigrants don't want any more to come because they can see an increase in numbers as queering their pitch.

Anyone that isn't a British citizen can't vote in this election.

 

[manctheknife]

Still undecided, I like the concept of the EU I like the freedom it gives but I don't like the unelected officials or president, i worry if I vote in then will the influx from Europe hinder my sons chances of good employment and if I vote out am I hindering my sons options and chances, if I still can't decide by the time I get home then I am just not going to vote

Strap a pair on kid!..Saddle up and make that X...you can do it. Either way.

 

[YPhrunts]

Still undecided, I like the concept of the EU I like the freedom it gives but I don't like the unelected officials or president, i worry if I vote in then will the influx from Europe hinder my sons chances of good employment and if I vote out am I hindering my sons options and chances, if I still can't decide by the time I get home then I am just not going to vote

Look at the youth unemployment figures across Europe which are higher in almost all the other member states and then ask yourself what chances has your son got of finding a job in Europe. Unless he's exceptional at what he does and speaks a couple of languages fluently then its a very slim chance he will find employment on the continent. Alternatively the youngsters from the poorer European states want to come here because they cannot find work at home and even if they can it's poorly paid in comparison. I am concerned for the future prospect of my grandchildren for the same reasons. I don't want them to have to accept low wages being kept constantly low by foreign workers.

 

[manctheknife]

[QUOTE="manctheknife, post: 9526062, member: 7816] people know a damn sight more about the machinations of Europe than they did.

I am not sure about that. It appears that a lot of lies and half truths, delivered by both sides, have formed a considerable part of the debate. It doesn't help when you have the likes of Boris Johnson responding to well reasoned arguments, raised by academics and institutions, by retorting simply with comments like 'absolute rubbish' and 'poppycock'.

Personally, I feel there are strong arguments/justifications for both leave and remain but the standard of debate has been rather disappointing. To be honest, I am rather embarrassed that those involved are in positions of power. I have heard better quality debates in pubs at around closing time.[/QUOTE]


Well then, at the very least we learned that nobody knows what the fuck is going on....whereas before, we just supposed that.

 

[bugsyblue]

This time tomorrow we might not be part of the EU and the year after Trump might be president. Fuck me that would be depressing. Hello 1933.

 

[Metal Biker]

Anyone that isn't a British citizen can't vote in this election.

Racist

 

[Manc in London]

Well then, at the very least we learned that nobody knows what the fuck is going on....whereas before, we just supposed that.

Something like that. :)