EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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SWP's back said:
You're really surprised that most research ends up finding in favor of the way of backer's way of thinking
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How many completely independent studies do you want?

Ready for reason number two yet, my treat

The UK is a world leader in science, this will come under great threat if we leave the eu, it will be a terrible blue to the UKs science industry
 
Monkfish said:
I don't need evidence for that I agree it would, not sure I agree totally its a benefit, just a shame we would all be worse off to pay for your whims
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It depends on your values I suppose. You seem to be motivated purely by economics /money. It might be worth considering both at this is lower down some peoples priorities than sovereignty and border control for instance. Its hard to accept a different view as valid unless you have a bit of maturity and empathy though. How are you going with the figures for the economic case to stay BTW?
 
Monkfish said:
I don't need evidence for that I agree it would, not sure I agree totally its a benefit, just a shame we would all be worse off to pay for your whims
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The 'whims' of the majority.

Just like I was worse off for the majority wanting benefits and nuclear defense etc and therefore I was having to pay tax.
 
Monkfish said:
How many completely independent studies do you want?

Ready for reason number two yet, my treat

The UK is a world leader in science, this will come under great threat if we leave the eu, it will be a terrible blue to the UKs science industry
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Please quote /link one 'completely independent study' into the effects of brexit /benefits of staying. I'd be most interested in finding one.
 
Monkfish said:
I care more about my friends, families and countries well-being than any personal feelings I may have

Edit... I also care about my continent, I like Europe and Europeans, if it benefits them that's good too
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I like Europe and Europeans. I love free movement of labour and free trade agreements.

I've said plenty of times, I should be an Inner and was, it's just the In campaign and certain posters on here (not you), have helped turn me off the idea.
 
Monkfish said:
How many completely independent studies do you want?

Ready for reason number two yet, my treat

The UK is a world leader in science, this will come under great threat if we leave the eu, it will be a terrible blue to the UKs science industry
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How little science gets (at the moment) as a percentage of GDP is a fucking travesty.
 
Cheesy said:
I'm still undecided about which way to vote, but I tell you something.... every single argument I've heard from the 'In' campaign is actually a negative argument about what will happen should we leave.

It's well known that being negative (even if you're right) can turn people against your point of view (it's partly due to this that the Scotland vote was so much closer than people originally thought it would be) so I really do feel that the negative 'In' campaign is being counter-productive and could contribute to an 'Out' vote.

So, as an undecided voter, I've got a question for those who definitely want to remain in the EU...

Can I have some positives about what will happen should we vote to stay in the EU? If you can, I'd like specifics about what will improve for us.

If I see any negatives in the answer I'll just ignore it :-)
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Countries generally do not form Unions for positive reasons. We're essentially tribal. Unions are formed for negative or defensive reasons. The EU was formed to reduce the chances of war, to eliminate shortages of food and raw materials. Unions are basically formed to reduce and share risks. They're like insurance policies. The questions being asked are basically whether the premium is too high, whether the risks are such as to require this form of insurance, whether the policy covers the right risks. If someone tried to persuade you to cancel your home insurance policy you would more likely focus on the negative rather than positive factors.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Such exaggerated nonsense with all that gravy riddled exaggeration. Those gravy trains exist in every country on earth, every political system and in public and private sector it's just called people. The EU is a lot better than many places probably worse than others but wasn't it in the UK where half the MPs were claiming for leaky taps on tennis courts etc
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There is little exaggeration. There is and has been a constant footpath from every national parliament and local council, and political HQ for deadbeat politicians to lodge themselves upon the good people of Brussels. Overpaid salaries and mouth watering expenses. As for fraud and corruption, the clear up and consequent prosecution is often delivered to those countries whose nationals have been screwing the European taxpayer. More often than not it's Operation Yard Brush and Corner of Carpet.

The whole stinking edifice must the be the least cost-effective of any politicial organisation the world has known.
 
Helmet Cole said:
It depends on your values I suppose. You seem to be motivated purely by economics /money. It might be worth considering both at this is lower down some peoples priorities than sovereignty and border control for instance. Its hard to accept a different view as valid unless you have a bit of maturity and empathy though. How are you going with the figures for the economic case to stay BTW?
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Sorry, cooking and family time, also no spreadsheet software on my tablet, hope this is acceptable for the delay in my report.

As for the sovereignty/border control being important if they are to you I have already said I have no problem with that, feel free to look it's about 10 posts back, for me I would rather my family had a better future, I don't dislike Johnny foreigner enough to want to stop them sharing in my countries prosperity so for me that nullifies the border thing, and I am not really aware of any European law that has impacted me in a negative way, so not to bothered about the sovereignty angle either

If I do vote to leave it will be to take a gamble, bit of fun and devil, see how it goes
 
No need to do your own report mate, just a link to one of the many independent ones you base your opinion on would be fine. If you have never found one that's fine too, but do let me know as I'm excited to read it.
 
Helmet Cole said:
No need to do your own report mate, just a link to one of the many independent ones you base your opinion on would be fine. If you have never found one that's fine too, but do let me know as I'm excited to read it.
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I can pm you some excellent midget porn links I found in the mean time if you want fella?
 
Helmet Cole said:
No need to do your own report mate, just a link to one of the many independent ones you base your opinion on would be fine. If you have never found one that's fine too, but do let me know as I'm excited to read it.
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Why are you hounding that one poster? You've very aggressive and you very well know there's been a number independent surveys exploring the financial benefits of being an EU member. This is just one report that I posted earlier which you even commented on.

http://news.cbi.org.uk/reports/our-...t-2-benefits-of-eu-membership-outweigh-costs/
 
On a lighter issue, if we leave the EU will our European players have to apply for visas? Genuine question but I'm guessing yes. Wonder if that will affect the academy.
 
bugsyblue said:
Why are you hounding that one poster? You've very aggressive and you very well know there's been a number independent surveys exploring the financial benefits of being an EU member. This is just one report that I posted earlier which you even commented on.

http://news.cbi.org.uk/reports/our-...t-2-benefits-of-eu-membership-outweigh-costs/
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He's hounded fuck all and is aggressive as a particularly laid back marmoset.

He asked a question of someone speaking about the independent research.
 
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