EU referendum

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Yep, those second generation French-Algerians never would have been born in France and Belgium in the 80s and 90s if only we'd done the right thing and shut the borders in 2013.

I thought Moriarty was supposed to be dead clever?!

 

[hgblue]

I thought Moriarty was supposed to be dead clever?!

It would be highly naive to believe that ISIS haven't taken advantage of the migrant crisis to get significant numbers of potential terrorists into the EU, and stupidity of the highest order to continue to allow the free movement of people when faced with that prospect.

 

[aguero93:20]

It would be highly naive to believe that ISIS haven't taken advantage of the migrant crisis to get significant numbers of potential terrorists into the EU, and stupidity of the highest order to continue to allow the free movement of people when faced with that prospect.

Yep. That's why they're all screened and being kept in camps.

It's also nothing but propaganda to try to link the Paris attacks with Syrian refugees when the terrorists involved were 'home-grown' I.e French and Belgian nationals. It's false, it's inflammatory and it has no place in the debate on EU border control, any more than the 9/11 attacks or Anders Brevik.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It would be highly naive to believe that ISIS haven't taken advantage of the migrant crisis to get significant numbers of potential terrorists into the EU, and stupidity of the highest order to continue to allow the free movement of people when faced with that prospect.

Do ISIS posses a time machine?

 

[hgblue]

Yep. That's why they're all screened and being kept in camps.

It's also nothing but propaganda to try to link the Paris attacks with Syrian refugees when the terrorists involved were 'home-grown' I.e French and Belgian nationals. It's false, it's inflammatory and it has no place in the debate on EU border control, any more than the 9/11 attacks or Anders Brevik.

You're joking right? 1.5 million people have been properly screened and kept in camps? And the people doing the screening can tell who is a potential terrorist and who isn't?
You don't think ISIS will use this crisis to get sleeper cells into the EU, and that an open border policy doesn't make their lives easier?

 

[hgblue]

Do ISIS posses a time machine?

Don't be silly. Who do you think trained the Paris bombers? Where do you think they were trained? How do you think they managed to get to Syria and back, and then move around undetected?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

How do you think they managed to get to Syria and back, and then move around undetected?

A time machine?

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

You're joking right? 1.5 million people have been properly screened and kept in camps? And the people doing the screening can tell who is a potential terrorist and who isn't?
You don't think ISIS will use this crisis to get sleeper cells into the EU, and that an open border policy doesn't make their lives easier?

I'm sure there is opportunity, but at the base of this argument, are there not elements of, 'why not stop people from using the Internet, as it makes it easier for them to do bad things? '

I'm not completely decided on in/out yet;
For 'Out', I see it as a driver for us to have to get better in order to survive and having perhaps more opportunity to direct our own destiny/success,
But for 'In', I constantly get the feeling that long term, peoples coming together is ultimately better and where we are all headed anyway.

 

[aguero93:20]

You're joking right? 1.5 million people have been properly screened and kept in camps? And the people doing the screening can tell who is a potential terrorist and who isn't?
You don't think ISIS will use this crisis to get sleeper cells into the EU, and that an open border policy doesn't make their lives easier?

They'll try. Closed borders didn't stop the 9/11 attacks though and doesn't stop home grown terrorism, which is a far bigger issue. They didn't need to sneak anyone in to achieve the Paris attacks and the ancestral lands of the terrorists didn't have an open immigration policy with the EU. The 7/7 bombings were the same and most likely the recent attacks in Brussels will be too. The link between the Paris attacks and Syrian refugees is one of coincidence and not causation.

 

[aguero93:20]

Don't be silly. Who do you think trained the Paris bombers? Where do you think they were trained? How do you think they managed to get to Syria and back, and then move around undetected?

So a foreign holiday makes you a refugee? I went to Ankara last year, maybe I shouldn't have been allowed back in?