EU referendum

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Another 3 1/2 years in the service of the first set of cunts if you really want to know, then off to the southern hemisphere with the money and the family.

Are you going to move to the Falklands?

 

[Helmet Cole]

Are you going to move to the Falklands?

Not quite (close though)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Not quite (close though)

The South Sandwich Isles?

 

[YPhrunts]

On Newsnight tonight it was reported that there have been some academic papers published by eight different authors all saying that we'd be better of out of the EU. Please tell me one wasn't written by George Galloway.

 

[steviemc]

We're a nation that has, since the major wars and strifes, given up more and more control and power to countries that are only too willing for us to coalesce our achievements - those achievements that we used to be proud and famous for. My ex-service grandparents before they passed away were quite embarrassed about how we've become such a subservient nation. There are times when choices have to be made, choices of which we cannot be entirely certain of the outcome.

I hope that if people do decide to remain (which is undoubtedly the 'easier' option) the decision is made for a very worthy reason. I certainly hope it's not simply because they don't have the balls to risk a change. That would be the worst reason I could think of for remaining, and would undoubtedly lead us on the path to yielding even more of what little influence we have left.

 

[YPhrunts]

I'd be delighted to hear a cheerful defense of ttip/ttp from one of our enthusiastic 'inners'.

I think there are a lot of dreadlocked sandal wearing dreamers (I blame John Lennon) that believe in romantic environmental rubbish. There was a scare story that the EU were about to ban glyphosate and and ALL the brown bread and lentil eaters came out with a lot of emotional tosh about the bees being threatened by Monsanto and pesticides being introduced by people that had no concern for the environment. You go on any gardening forum and mention pesticides or herbicides and out they all come like a swarm of locusts with the idea that they are all being poisoned by big business. It's stuff like that that makes me fucking angry and if it means that some chemical companies can sue any government that wishes to take us back to the 'good old days' of Laurie Lee's 'Cider with Rosie' then I'm all for TTIP being the conduit to do it. Governments won't ban herbicides or pesticides of course because our present levels of food production rely on farmers being able to use all the technology they can to maintain output. But what the argument does illustrate is that there are a lot of witch like thinkers out there that would happily see us back in the days of horse drawn ploughs and who would like to turn the clock back. They also have a vote and make decisions on emotional twaddle. Lack of an educated electorate is where democracy fails us all.
I'd vote in on that issue alone but there are other issues I'd vote out on so I'm on the fence at the moment but I believe it's all pretty futile hoping for an out vote. The British Ex Pats abroad, mostly in Spain, will be voting us out as will the Scots. Then there is the proposed BBC debate at Wembley where the Government will roll out all the big hitters and will swamp the debate with scare stories. And if Dimbleby gets involved you can more or less gaurantee it will become a BBC exercise in propaganda.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Another 3 1/2 years in the service of the first set of cunts if you really want to know, then off to the southern hemisphere with the money and the family.

Where in the Southern Hemisphere? Permanently?

 

[steviemc]

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Indeed, lack of an educated electorate is where democracy fails us all, however that is part and parcel of a democracy. Who decides the bench mark of what constitutes a required level of education?
Either side of the political spectrum (including politicians) will claim to be educated, however almost equal numbers of them have polarising views.

We will never ever have a democracy purely of well informed and well educated individuals. If that were the case there would be no need for politics to be served and delivered as an entertainment program. We wouldn't need pamphlets through our doors highlighting which way we should vote, and party political budgets would be a thing of the past. Those ideals are almost akin to those very same 'sandal wearing' dreamers.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I think there are a lot of dreadlocked sandal wearing dreamers (I blame John Lennon) that believe in romantic environmental rubbish. There was a scare story that the EU were about to ban glyphosate and and ALL the brown bread and lentil eaters came out with a lot of emotional tosh about the bees being threatened by Monsanto and pesticides being introduced by people that had no concern for the environment. You go on any gardening forum and mention pesticides or herbicides and out they all come like a swarm of locusts with the idea that they are all being poisoned by big business. It's stuff like that that makes me fucking angry and if it means that some chemical companies can sue any government that wishes to take us back to the 'good old days' of Laurie Lee's 'Cider with Rosie' then I'm all for TTIP being the conduit to do it. Governments won't ban herbicides or pesticides of course because our present levels of food production rely on farmers being able to use all the technology they can to maintain output. But what the argument does illustrate is that there are a lot of witch like thinkers out there that would happily see us back in the days of horse drawn ploughs and who would like to turn the clock back. They also have a vote and make decisions on emotional twaddle. Lack of an educated electorate is where democracy fails us all.
I'd vote in on that issue alone but there are other issues I'd vote out on so I'm on the fence at the moment but I believe it's all pretty futile hoping for an out vote. The British Ex Pats abroad, mostly in Spain, will be voting us out as will the Scots. Then there is the proposed BBC debate at Wembley where the Government will roll out all the big hitters and will swamp the debate with scare stories. And if Dimbleby gets involved you can more or less gaurantee it will become a BBC exercise in propaganda.

So if we are dreadlocked sandal wearing dreamers does that mean we can call you skinhead jackbooted bitter cynics who are happy to destroy the world for your own inmediate gratification? Or are such stereotypes utter bollocks?

 

[EalingBlue2]

We're a nation that has, since the major wars and strifes, given up more and more control and power to countries that are only too willing for us to coalesce our achievements - those achievements that we used to be proud and famous for. My ex-service grandparents before they passed away were quite embarrassed about how we've become such a subservient nation. There are times when choices have to be made, choices of which we cannot be entirely certain of the outcome.

I hope that if people do decide to remain (which is undoubtedly the 'easier' option) the decision is made for a very worthy reason. I certainly hope it's not simply because they don't have the balls to risk a change. That would be the worst reason I could think of for remaining, and would undoubtedly lead us on the path to yielding even more of what little influence we have left.

The trouble is we would just look deluded, a but pathetic and utterly stupid if we puffed out chest out and asserted ourselves because we were in the 1880's the most powerful nation on earth. Just as Greeks trying to assert themselves today based on being the cradle of science and democracy would look daft.

We have the hand we have today not the one we had a century and a half ago and we are subservient (which I would argue is far from the truth as a nation we get involve loved way too much and try and throw weight around we no longer have)

Your speech is nice but is all a bit like Alan ball telling the dressing room about his World Cup win to try and keep us in the prem - ie it is nice but it is history and irellevant to today's world.

Look at what made Britain great.

The cradle of industry - gone
Rules the waves - gone
Worlds biggest economy - gone
Powerful millitary - gone
Empire - gone
Fuelled the world - gone

Etc etc etc

Time to be a bit more realistic , I don't think it's a source of embarrassment anymore than the Italians should be worried the Roman Empire is gone it is just the reality of history and the reality of economics .