EU referendum

[EalingBlue2]

I'm not moaning this morning EB in fact I'm deliriously happy ;-) how are you feeling ??

Tired and disappointed, very disappointed but to be fair not at all surprised. It felt in every way like a 90's Manchester derby, before , during and after .

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I'm not moaning this morning EB in fact I'm deliriously happy ;-) how are you feeling ??

Have to say I'm glad Sterling went off at half time. "Vardy's on Fire.." The Welsh fans were a credit though

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Yes. Born and bred in the north west.

Moved to Qatar three years ago.

Still pay tax in the UK on my UK income.

Still own property in the UK.

Voted In by post last week.

Why would I give up my UK passport? It wouldn't stop the UK tax office coming after my estate for inheritance tax on my worldwide estate. What benefit would I receive from it?

Thanks for the helpful information.

On reflection, I couldn't give a toss if you keep a British passport or not.

 

[hgblue]

To some people winning an argument is more important than being right. Again that is the problem with both sides in this debate. Judging by a number of comments on here a fair few brexiters see winning the argument as being right. Remainers fear losing the argument but time proving them to be utterly correct in all they said .when an argument ignores facts and ignores reality and becomes only emotion it isn't one that is won or lost only time tells who wins and loses and unfortunately if a decision is made that proves wrong then the reality is those who were right will lose more than those who were wrong.

Same applies to a Remain vote, when people realise that what they've actually voted for isn't the status quo and the EU has kept quiet about lots of stuff that they know the British people won't like, until after they've voted to Remain. Also a Leave vote will very quickly reveal that Cameron and Osbourne have been lying through their teeth in order to win an argument and to save their own skins, rather than because they believe the bollocks that their spouting.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Yes. Born and bred in the north west.

Moved to Qatar three years ago.

Still pay tax in the UK on my UK income.

Still own property in the UK.

Voted In by post last week.

Why would I give up my UK passport? It wouldn't stop the UK tax office coming after my estate for inheritance tax on my worldwide estate. What benefit would I receive from it?

I don't understand why anyone would give up a passport to be honest . I became a dual national as are my kids

 

[urban genie]

Let's just hope with campaigning suspended, both sides take a deep breath, look at themselves and when they re commence stop on the tory remain side project fear, and the leave side project fear and any that have previously, stop the vile rhetoric that stirs up divide within our country.

The posistive message of staying or going should be all we hear and how we are all one people no matter what race, religion, sex and politics we are and go forward in harmony no matter the result

 

[Blue Til Death]

Have to say I'm glad Sterling went off at half time. "Vardy's on Fire.." The Welsh fans were a credit though

England deserved that hard fought victory but on the plus side, both teams will progress to the last 16 so still all to play for, Wales will beat Russia and I think England will get at least a point against Slovakia.. So glad Woy bit the bullet and changed Kane and sterling, that combination was going nowhere.. I'm not a sterling hater but he has not played well so far and even Stevie wonder would have scored that chance in the first half...Right lets get back to slagging each other about the referendum....!!!

 

[BigJoe#1]

Should the vote to leave the EU be successful how do those who want this feel about those EU citizens currently living and working in the UK? Is a line drawn here and they get to stay? Or do you make them return to their homelands?

I don't think anyone on the Leave side, certainly on here, has suggested the people that already in this country should be "sent home". That would be both unfair and unreasonable and should NOT happen.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Same applies to a Remain vote, when people realise that what they've actually voted for isn't the status quo and the EU has kept quiet about lots of stuff that they know the British people won't like, until after they've voted to Remain. Also a Leave vote will very quickly reveal that Cameron and Osbourne have been lying through their teeth in order to win an argument and to save their own skins, rather than because they believe the bollocks that their spouting.

If the remain camp win the argument and we get taken over by Merkel goose stepping down Oxford street I will apologise

Same applies to a Remain vote, when people realise that what they've actually voted for isn't the status quo and the EU has kept quiet about lots of stuff that they know the British people won't like, until after they've voted to Remain. Also a Leave vote will very quickly reveal that Cameron and Osbourne have been lying through their teeth in order to win an argument and to save their own skins, rather than because they believe the bollocks that their spouting.

well if Brexit wins I sincerely hope I am wrong

 

[Blue Hefner]

A UK inside the EU is going to have benefits and influence across all our borders, an out vote puts the nation at the mercy of Boris fuckibg Johnson. That alone is reason to stay.

That is a very short term view, this vote is for the next generation not the next 5 years. You will also have the chance to vote him/them out if your are not happy. There is also an opposition party/parties, so if he does become PM, the country will not be 'at his mercy' in the slightest

 

[mcfc1632]

I know that, i recognize the benefit immigrants bring to the economy, etc. my concern is no control what so ever with the numbers coming in, how we can plan around it? how can we sustain it?

Well said -the shallowness in the Remain argument is that they try to stigmatise the Leave position as being AGAINST immigration when in fact we just want control. That is most likely that wanting to be in control is entirely sensible and cannot be lazily labelled.

 

[stonerblue]

Big difference between some random nutjob spouting that than someone in government saying what they did though. Few would take notice of the former and dismiss it out of hand, where the latter is actually in a position to carry out his thinly-veiled threat and fuck over tens of millions of citizens, British or otherwise. That was the lowest of low blows and came across as a somewhat desperate throw of the dice by a beleaguered remain camp.

Which 'random nut job' said it?

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

Brexit

The only way the working class can change anything

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/15/brexit-working-class-sick-racist-eu-referendum

 

[mcfc1632]

If I tell my three year old not to play around with water near electrical items or she could get hurt, is that a threat or sensible advice? When did sensible advice become a threat and is this a deliberate and clever strategy to try and discredit sensible advice by brexiters?

Well one clear example would be when Gideon puts forward his 'punishment budget'. That has been so thoroughly discredited the ripples cast doubt on all the other 'expert forecasts'.

I personally have first-hand experience of working with the Treasury on financial models and seen the loading of 'assumptions' to ensure that the outputs are those desired by their political masters so have a good deal of what I consider to be 'healthy' scepticism.

 

[cibaman]

We stay so Boris doesn´t become PM. I can accept that. Who is next in line after Cameron? I think Osborne is out of the running after his budget threats.

May would have an outside chance. But its most likely still Johnson. However a Johnson government formed after he takes over from Cameron in 12-18 months following a Remain vote would be totally different to a post Brexit Johnson government.

If we vote Remain and Johnson succeeds Cameron next year he will undoubtedly tinker with the cabinet. Probably bring back IDS, Fox and Davis. Promote some Leavers on merit to junior minister posts. But the positioning of the government would be largely unchanged.

If he becomes PM after a Leave vote he would have to completely re-shape his cabinet. Its currently 75% Remain. He would need to have the backing of the cabinet during the EU negotiations (which would take up 90% of his time), not always fighting them. He would need to have Leavers in charge of the main depts affected by Brexit. That means bringing in at least 10 new cabinet ministers, almost regardless of ability. It would inevitably mean a lurch further to the right.

Its not whether Johnson becomes PM that matters, its when.

 

[our tommy]

Let's just hope with campaigning suspended, both sides take a deep breath, look at themselves and when they re commence stop on the tory remain side project fear, and the leave side project fear and any that have previously, stop the vile rhetoric that stirs up divide within our country.

The posistive message of staying or going should be all we hear and how we are all one people no matter what race, religion, sex and politics we are and go forward in harmony no matter the result

Well said. Unfortunately I can't see it happening.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Crock unless that is pure sarcasm - I think you will find that the almost certainly in votes in exit polls will be higher based on education and wealth. There may be some guilt of elitism and being out of touch but laziness and education standards won't be a Remain characteristic.

I must admit BM is interesting as amongst the people I mix with professionally and with my mix of friends back home I just don't know or speak to many brexiters (other than a few elderly relatives and parents friends) so I have learnt a lot about what drives the thinking .

I always reckoned that sober heads would prevail just but my bet which I made a decent investment on was on remain getting 40-44.99% which was $28 and therefore a huge price. Don't really want to win it

Of course it was sarcasm, I was responding with outrageous remarks after reading a ridiculous post.

 

[grunge]

http://www.shouldivoteleave.co.uk/

Needs sound.

 

[talkativesprout]

Brilliant and very much on the money IMO

As the man say's

"caught between the devil and the deep blue TWATS"

 

[argyle]

That's as maybe but there is a huge difference between concerns about immigration and the blanket, rather extreme right wing statement about hating foreigners.


So just to summarise then, most of the 50% ( give or take 5% either way) of the UK population, let's call it for arguements sake approx 20 million people, voting to get out of the EU dont give a fuck about the economy and hate foreigners, I'm glad that's cleared up.

Again, many credible polls have shown that the number 1 concern for the majority of those voting out is immigration. Might not be for you but for the majority it is.