EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Blue Hefner said:
I think you are wrong if you think the EU cares about worker's rights

I also think labour have been a disgrace over the last few years which has led it's more traditional voters who have been effected by issues the current Labour Party are too scared to talk to turn to UKIP

If it's not infighting, being Tory Light or now some cool North London left-wing club, is it any wonder people have looked elsewhere? Immigration is an issue, a big one, Labour don't what to touch it. They should
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And I'm not disagreeing with a lot of that, but I do disagree with the EU not caring about workers rights. It's pretty sad I know that I trust the EU much more on this subject than the Tories.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
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yeah but fair play to Dave, he did say that last night. He said the economic arguement was too complicated for the British Public to get to grips with. Hmmmm well played there Dave.
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Hahaha.....did he really say that? Playing to the common man there Dave.
 
Anyone else noticed how we have new members signing up all the time and selecting to the 'in' vote in this poll?

I've been keeping an eye on it as the percentage in favour of 'out' has been gradually dropping: with lots of new votes for 'in', while the 'out' remained at 472 for days, i.e it wasn't existing members changing their mind.

Today is the first time we've had a small amount of extra 'out' votes.

It's all rather subversive.
 
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RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
Anyone else noticed how we have new members signing up all the time and selecting to the 'in' vote in this poll?

I've been keeping an eye on it as the percentage in favour of 'out' has been gradually dropping: with lots of new votes for 'in', while the 'out' remained at 472 for days, i.e it wasn't existing members changing their mind.

Today is the first time we've had a small amount of extra 'out' votes.

It's all rather subversive.
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You know this isn't the referendum? If your really worried get ombudsmen PB to investigate
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Nice to see you back but you do realise that British workers are the least protected in Europe and that many of the protections we have were in place long before the EU came along and were adopted by the EU. Equal pay, maternity rights, Health & Safety, anti-discrimination laws among others. Yes, it introduced things like the Working Time Directive but I wouldn't get work if I didn't sign an opt-out.

I've said before on here that one reason we're such an attractive investment destination is that it's so much easier to sack British workers and close factories than anywhere else in the EU.
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You're forgetting one thing,
Thatcher scrapped the wage council in 85 leaving us with no wage legislation for 12 years hence the need for big increases in the minimum wage now,
do you honestly think if we hadn't signed up to the social charter the Tory's would have introduced there 'living wage' at the last budget, or who's to say a Boris government won't scrap the minimum wage, the right of the Tory party have form.
 
mackenzie said:
Your last paragraph sums it up. Why is that, do you think?
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Because the EU is not a level playing field. So how does it protect workers' rights then? If the EU really did have workers' interests at heart, we wouldn't have places like the Sports Direct labour camp at Shirebrook. The EU may have started with the best of intentions but it's quietly been hijacked by neo-capitalists. Lobbyists for big business call the shots in Brussels these days.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Because the EU is not a level playing field. So how does it protect workers' rights then? If the EU really did have workers' interests at heart, we wouldn't have places like the Sports Direct labour camp at Shirebrook. The EU may have started with the best of intentions but it's quietly been hijacked by neo-capitalists. Lobbyists for big business call the shots in Brussels these days.
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The neo-capitalists will be much more prevalent if we vote out of the EU.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Even if we elect a Labour government? We can still do that but we have no choice on what direction the EU takes.
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Do you honestly feel that a Tory government (and they will get even worse if BJ or Gove is PM) gives a shit? I don't. Without PR in this country we have no real democracy. Forget the EU for a moment, the PR question here has never really been addressed.
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
Anyone else noticed how we have new members signing up all the time and selecting to the 'in' vote in this poll?

I've been keeping an eye on it as the percentage in favour of 'out' has been gradually dropping: with lots of new votes for 'in', while the 'out' remained at 472 for days, i.e it wasn't existing members changing their mind.

Today is the first time we've had a small amount of extra 'out' votes.

It's all rather subversive.
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haha i don't know what is more sad.
 
mackenzie said:
Do you honestly feel that a Tory government (and they will get even worse if BJ or Gove is PM) gives a shit? I don't. Without PR in this country we have no real democracy. Forget the EU for a moment, the PR question here has never really been addressed.
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Short sighted of successive Labour governments not to introduce PR when they had the chance.
 
Sky news just reported that Nissan are taking legal action against vote" leave" for using the Nissan logo along with others companies, with the message "major employers have all said they'll stay in the UK whatever the result of the referendum......but Nissan have confirmed that they want the UK to stay in the EU and permission should have been requested to use their logo and if it was requested they wouldnt have been granted permission....This just shows the lies the "leave" campaign are trying to sell us....
 
mackenzie said:
Do you honestly feel that a Tory government (and they will get even worse if BJ or Gove is PM) gives a shit? I don't. Without PR in this country we have no real democracy. Forget the EU for a moment, the PR question here has never really been addressed.
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A vote to stay in the EU is a vote to embolden the neoliberal, globalist hegemony.

It's a vote for the TTIP.

People need to look more broadly at the longterm picture, instead of fears of the immediacy with an outvote.

We'd have years to negotiate terms of an exit with an out vote, and a general election wouldn't be long incoming and would give us full control over our futures.

People need to look past their discomfort at aligning themselves with Farage, this is a much broader and longterm question. Besides, if you're not aligning yourself with Farage you're doing it with Geroge Osborne, Goldman Sachs and co.

Really pains me that this cognitive dissonance goes completely unrecognised in those who harbour it. People need to look past political binaries, and look at this as a much broader question of how we see the future of Britain over the longterm.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Nice to see you back but you do realise that British workers are the least protected in Europe and that many of the protections we have were in place long before the EU came along and were adopted by the EU. Equal pay, maternity rights, Health & Safety, anti-discrimination laws among others. Yes, it introduced things like the Working Time Directive but I wouldn't get work if I didn't sign an opt-out.

I've said before on here that one reason we're such an attractive investment destination is that it's so much easier to sack British workers and close factories than anywhere else in the EU.
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The Working Time Directive is useless for a great many of us - pointless piece of legislation as far as I am concerned.

You are absolutely right about investment in UK. I am afraid that a lot of the rules protecting workers in Europe do no favours to business.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Sky news just reported that Nissan are taking legal action against vote" leave" for using the Nissan logo along with others companies, with the message "major employers have all said they'll stay in the UK whatever the result of the referendum......but Nissan have confirmed that they want the UK to stay in the EU and permission should have been requested to use their logo and if it was requested they wouldnt have been granted permission....This just shows the lies the "leave" campaign are trying to sell us....
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Their lying masks are slipping.
 
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