EU referendum

[BigJoe#1]

There will not be another referendum, IF the EU remains more or less as it is. The question is whether the EU will be able to implement further major structural change without there being a further vote. For example it has been suggested that if we vote to stay in the following will be forced upon the UK:

We will have to join the Euro
Full political integration will take place to form a United States of Europe
Turkey and various other countries will join the EU against the wishes of the UK.

I struggle to see how these measures would be implemented without a further vote.

One word Cibaman - STEALTH!

How on earth did we get from a common market where everyone could sell goods to each other to where we are today?

 

[inbetween]

There will not be another referendum, IF the EU remains more or less as it is. The question is whether the EU will be able to implement further major structural change without there being a further vote. For example it has been suggested that if we vote to stay in the following will be forced upon the UK:

We will have to join the Euro
Full political integration will take place to form a United States of Europe
Turkey and various other countries will join the EU against the wishes of the UK.

I struggle to see how these measures would be implemented without a further vote.

We cannot join the Euro for many reasons anyway, our high GDP-debt deficit is one of them, a change of currency to a devalued Euro would crush the country. The 2nd point is a constitutional change which would trigger a referendum. We only have any control over the 3rd if we vote to remain and use our veto.

 

[Monkfish]

So Keiron Conway a self confessed IRA man knows who's responsible for the Birmingham bombings, acknowledges that the authorities in Ireland and the UK know who are responsible but he won't name names publicly (fair enough).

However these individuals who live in Ireland cannot be extradited. Please remind me of the benefits of being in the EU? Yet again we've been let down by the EU!

What you talking about? You now want forced immigration to the UK? Straw clutcher

 

[BigJoe#1]

What you talking about? You now want forced immigration to the UK? Straw clutcher

You're amazing! I'm going to change my vote and vote in because of your constructive, supportive and positive arguements for the EU that you put forward.

Anyone posts anything you're on it like a rabid dog to find fault - regardless of what people are posting. I don't think you've ever posted anything that tries to sell the EU, just arguementative drivel about why we shouldn't leave. Trouble is you're so brainwashed, so far up Camerons Arse you can no longer see the wood the trees. Keep trying

 

[Monkfish]

For you information Pal, I come from a family that has served in the British Military in each of the last 4 generations. I served 28 years myself and have been to more military funerals than you've had wanks.

Anytime you want to come and tell me I make you sick to my face then feel free. I sit in SS3 NN 451 and look forward to meeting you.

So the country has treated you and yours as cannon fodder through the ages and with wwII excepted for what exactly? Go sit at your war memorial and contemplate that and stick your sanctimonious preaching up your arse whilst you sit in ss3 nn 451

 

[EalingBlue2]

So Keiron Conway a self confessed IRA man knows who's responsible for the Birmingham bombings, acknowledges that the authorities in Ireland and the UK know who are responsible but he won't name names publicly (fair enough).

However these individuals who live in Ireland cannot be extradited. Please remind me of the benefits of being in the EU? Yet again we've been let down by the EU!

Again why make things up , why twist facts and why support a case if you can only make it by blaming the EU.

They have been very clear that the issues which would mean a non conviction are lack of any hard evidence , Irish extradition rules etc. It is also pretty clear that the whole mess of the wrongful convictions and the reason they got away was entirely a British failure in intelligence and the law services not down to the EU. There is barely a country on the whole planet that would extradite people 40 years after a crime when there is no hard evidence and certainly there is no country that extradited without a request.

I think we should start a sweepstake on what the EU will get blamed for next that is nothing to do with them.

I reckon England now winning the World Cup since 66, the abuse of Welsh language speakers in the first half of the 20th century and the Lennon assassination will be next to be blamed on the EU.

But it's gold the EU is to blame for not extraditing people where there is no hard evidence , so no prospect of conviction, where the extradition laws from the time which apply were pre EU and where extradition hasn't even been requested .

If you want anyone to have a go at over the fact murderers went free do and look at the West Midlands police

 

[mcfc1632]

Martin Schulz was voted as president of the EU by a vote of all MEPs, in a similar way that the Speaker of the House of Commons is elected by MPs in the UK parliament. In Schiulz case, he was elected to the EU Parlaiment by the voters of a constituency in Germany , the same way any other MEP is elected and therfore has a mandate from the people and has the right to vote, in the same way as an MP can vote in the UK.

Jean-Claude Juncker is also voted for by MEPs in the European Parliament, but since there is no necessity for the President of the European Commission to be an elected MEP, i.e elected by a popular vote, he has no voting rights himself.

Donald Tusk was chosen by the political leaders of the member nations of the EU. As with Juncker, there is no pre-requisite of a popular vote to the Council for the role and so the President of the European Council has no voting rights in the Council (although they could if he/she was also a sitting political head of a member state, like Cameron).

What I am surprised has not been referenced more by the leave campaign is that it was not long ago that Cameron was on a mission to prevent Juncker being elected.

There are lots of articles to be found by just googling Cameron against Juncker - but the manner in which he was unable to make the UK's view count in this election can be seen as a very good example of just how much the UK is unable to 'influence' the drive towards federalism by the EU - the UK was just impotent and therefore are now just being tugged along in lemming like fashion.

Some of Cameron's views from a BBC article at the time:

"
Mr Cameron tweeted: "All major UK parties are now united on one point: Jean-Claude Juncker should not be President of the European Commission."

Speaking in Sweden, Mr Cameron said the issue of who ran the commission could not be separated from the need for Europe to shift its strategic focus.

"We want to see an EU which is more open, competitive and flexible - one that does less pointless interference but one that is effective in helping to get growth and jobs," he said.

"Obviously there is a link to that agenda and the people who should be running these institutions but this meeting today is really about content and what Europe should be doing in the next few years."

Mr Cameron also made clear he believed it should be up to the elected leaders of the EU's 28 member states to decide who headed the commission rather than "some new process that was never agreed"

 

[EalingBlue2]

You're amazing! I'm going to change my vote and vote in because of your constructive, supportive and positive arguements for the EU that you put forward.

Anyone posts anything you're on it like a rabid dog to find fault - regardless of what people are posting. I don't think you've ever posted anything that tries to sell the EU, just arguementative drivel about why we shouldn't leave. Trouble is you're so brainwashed, so far up Camerons Arse you can no longer see the wood the trees. Keep trying

so who's arse are you up Johnsons or Farages - as you are just as one eyed in your comments and just as dismissive. Personally think you both have strong views and its nowt to do with being up anyone's arse but you raised it.

 

[Monkfish]

You're amazing! I'm going to change my vote and vote in because of your constructive, supportive and positive arguements for the EU that you put forward.

Anyone posts anything you're on it like a rabid dog to find fault - regardless of what people are posting. I don't think you've ever posted anything that tries to sell the EU, just arguementative drivel about why we shouldn't leave. Trouble is you're so brainwashed, so far up Camerons Arse you can no longer see the wood the trees. Keep trying

Get back on message bj,keep blaming immigrants for everything and you may convince me, go off message and you confuse people, call it the vat on fuel effect

Yeah I'm brainwashed, straw clutching again

 

[BigJoe#1]

Pp

Again why make things up , why twist facts and why support a case if you can only make it by blaming the EU.

They have been very clear that the issues which would mean a non conviction are lack of any hard evidence , Irish extradition rules etc. It is also pretty clear that the whole mess of the wrongful convictions and the reason they got away was entirely a British failure in intelligence and the law services not down to the EU. There is barely a country on the whole planet that would extradite people 40 years after a crime when there is no hard evidence and certainly there is no country that extradited without a request.

I think we should start a sweepstake on what the EU will get blamed for next that is nothing to do with them.

I reckon England now winning the World Cup since 66, the abuse of Welsh language speakers in the first half of the 20th century and the Lennon assassination will be next to be blamed on the EU.

But it's gold the EU is to blame for not extraditing people where there is no hard evidence , so no prospect of conviction, where the extradition laws from the time which apply were pre EU and where extradition hasn't even been requested .

If you want anyone to have a go at over the fact murderers went free do and look at the West Midlands police

There is new evidence and these people are associated but they cannot and will not be. I genuinely thought the strength of the EU was to enable such extraditions to happen. Rather than blaming the EU I am asking why this is the case? It is within the remit and a major selling point of the EU that this extradition agreement is in place.

Anyway, listen to the UK news and you'll catch up, there's a good chap!