EU referendum

[KenTheLandlord]

Vote in and this is what you get.

Vote out and you will be guaranteed a worse state of affairs.
Who in their right mind would let the current fools run amok?

 

[YPhrunts]

"Brussels wants to seize control of asylum claims in the EU, it was revealed last night.

It was accused of attempting a power grab by removing individual countries’ ability to decide who is granted refuge within their borders.

The European Commission will propose that all applications are decided centrally by the European Asylum Support Office. Refugees would then be shared out among states using quotas.

Britain will not be forced to join the system as it has an opt-out on justice and home affairs, but the Government is still likely to resist the change when the Commission presents the idea as one of two options for reform in the next fortnight.

The other proposal would be to keep the present system where people apply in the first country they enter, but with a quota system to share out refugees if a country becomes overwhelmed.

David Cameron will today attend an emergency summit in Brussels aimed at saving the EU’s passport-free travel zone, Schengen."


So it's a totalitarian vision for the future Brussels has for us all then and some people are willing to continue membership of this cabal? Why is our Prime Minister even attending this event? The demise of Schengen has nothing to do with us.

 

[SWP's back]

Vote out and you will be guaranteed a worse state of affairs.
Who in their right mind would let the current fools run amok?

Well at least you don't resort to scaremongering.....

You'd have the chance to vote them out and let them be accountable unlike the Federal European Parliament.

 

[EalingBlue2]

It is bullshit. He claims there is a myth that the EU accounts have never been signed off. The real claim which is true is that the last accounts to get a clean bill of health were 2012.

Here is what the audit for 2014 says:


http://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/ECADocuments/auditinbrief-2014/auditinbrief-2014-EN.pdf




correction:
2012 was materially affected by error too!

EU accounts = 4-5% fraud in payments consistently.

Yes and that fraud is virtually entirely an issue of member countries not the EU establishment ie when a farmer in Wales or Scotland or Greece claims more than entitled or a government (which could include our own) does something incorrect with a payment. So whilst there is a gap on expense it isn't money disappearing into the EU commissioners pockets it is nearly all issues in the soverign governments on the countries and their people ie us and our government.

Not too different in me having to pay more insurance because other people think it's ok to make up or exaggerate claims, pretend cars are parked in suburbs they aren't, have different usage or share points or accidents out amongst the family etc etc

 

[EalingBlue2]

Well at least you don't resort to scaremongering.....

You'd have the chance to vote them out and let them be accountable unlike the Federal European Parliament.

Not if the majority of the country don't agree which is the same problem with the European Parliament

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Shows there all thick as fu*K.

It shows that most of their support is foreign. Those on the continent cannot believe we want to leave!

 

[EalingBlue2]

"Brussels wants to seize control of asylum claims in the EU, it was revealed last night.

It was accused of attempting a power grab by removing individual countries’ ability to decide who is granted refuge within their borders.

The European Commission will propose that all applications are decided centrally by the European Asylum Support Office. Refugees would then be shared out among states using quotas.

Britain will not be forced to join the system as it has an opt-out on justice and home affairs, but the Government is still likely to resist the change when the Commission presents the idea as one of two options for reform in the next fortnight.

The other proposal would be to keep the present system where people apply in the first country they enter, but with a quota system to share out refugees if a country becomes overwhelmed.

David Cameron will today attend an emergency summit in Brussels aimed at saving the EU’s passport-free travel zone, Schengen."


So it's a totalitarian vision for the future Brussels has for us all then and some people are willing to continue membership of this cabal? Why is our Prime Minister even attending this event? The demise of Schengen has nothing to do with us.

As a matter of interest why is Europe deciding on this for Britain totalitarian but Britain deciding it for the north west democracy. Both is a arbitraty large area making a decision for a smaller area.

The EU setting policy for the UK is ultimately no different to the UK setting policy for Wales or Wales setting policy for Gwynedd.

the EU is not totalitarian anymore than the UK is, it has flaws as does the British government, it has strengths as does the British government.

Trying to paint it as totalitarian or like last night (I know not you) as akin to naziism doesn't show any confidence in the argument or strategy behind the out canpaign.

 

[EalingBlue2]

It shows that most of their support is foreign. Those on the continent cannot believe we want to leave!

It probably shows a hundred things all hidden by a small biased sample

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The head of the British Chambers of Commerce, John Longworth has resigned, days after announcing he supports Brexit.
Seems like Dave has put pressure on, which is scandalous, if true.
It is telling that the the head of this organisation supports an out vote, it kind of rubbishes a fair bit of scaremongering.

 

[EalingBlue2]

The head of the British Chambers of Commerce, John Longworth has resigned, days after announcing he supports Brexit.
Seems like Dave has put pressure on, which is scandalous, if true.
It is telling that the the head of this organisation supports an out vote, it kind of rubbishes a fair bit of scaremongering.

When a leader like that resigns it is most likely to show they are out of step with their membership and realise it or they want to do something incompatible with leading such an organisation. Any other element is possible too but that's the most likely

It rubbishes scaremongering in the same way the prime minister supporting in rubbises out scaremongering