Yaya_Tony
Well-Known Member
That's you making it personal.Ah so it's personal and you're on an ego trip.
Since you go there, I'm on board with chippy. Brexit is pure selfishness.
That's you making it personal.Ah so it's personal and you're on an ego trip.
CB you're like one of those poor stewards holding back the Russian mob with a bit of rope. :-)Another misguided soul.
Why?That's you making it personal.
Since you go there, I'm on board with chippy. Brexit is pure selfishness.
A Tory party pushing 80 hour weeks would not get elected...
Sort of but no. You're meant to receive an amount based on what you pay in. However what you pay in doesn't get invested into a pot anywhere, you payments in this June will go to some retired person(s) in July.
I'm a European. My family survived both world wars and have seen unprecedented levels of peace since. My daughters can travel freely and most young uns want to stay. For me it's a no brainer.Why?
I'm voting in for selfishness. I think most people will vote for selfish reasons either way. But why do you think it's a one way street?
Again sort of, I know of very very few people that rely solely on the state pension.Unless you're a Greek whereby your pension will be paid by other states propping up your economy. Always sobers me up to think that Greeks retire at an earlier age than us (used to be 55 if I remember correctly) while we, under austerity measures are now having to work until we are 67.
That's absolutely fine and I agree with your rationale.I'm a European. My family survived both world wars and have seen unprecedented levels of peace since. My daughters can travel freely and most young uns want to stay. For me it's a no brainer.
I think you're a victim of your criticism.You see the entire wording of the post above portrays your closed mind. "pure speculation" not "speculation" for example. And even the word speculation itself, blows your cover. I've heard other people use the word "guess". But there's a huge difference between a guess, speculation and prediction, and calculation. Respected institutions have not just scribbled things on the back of fag packet or thrown darts at the wall, they've looked at the drivers - at what influences the economy - and make calculations and projections based on those inputs. You can't dismiss this as if it's some random stab in the dark, when it isn't.
Likewise "they've been wrong before and they'll be wrong again". Well you would say that wouldn't you, but it's such a hollow statement. Of course they get things wrong, but that doesn't mean they've got THIS wrong and to assume that because they were wrong about something else in the past, therefore they must be wrong about this too, is a lame argument. It's basically the best the Leavers can come up with faced with overwhelming commentary that leaving would be a bad idea. If predicting and calculating and projecting was such a complete waste of time, we'd have to close the met office, close the institute for national studies, replace insurance companies with dummies throwing dice. The reality is you don't like the predictions, that's all.