Osbourne is about as trustworthy as the snake from the Jungle Book, but I'm sure there wil be some who'll be frightened into voting to stay in.
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I honestly believe that country will vote to leave.
Dave has been damaged at the wrong time and as much as a buffoon Boris is, he is a very likeable buffoon who takes people with him. The conservatives will rip themselves apart over this and as the vote gets nearer, many of them saying in right now will not be able to resist the urge to change sides.
Honestly, the very idea that Europe wont trade with us after this is frankly laughable it really is, as is the forecast today that it will make George strip a further £36Billion from the public spend.
He would do that off his own back, never mind us leaving the EU!
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I've a question for any of the 'inners' on here.
Why do you want to be IN but only half heartedly, Why not accept the Euro and go in completely?
It seems to me that none of you want that but i'm certain that if the IN vote win this will be forced on us eventually.
Why do you want to be IN but only half heartedly, Why not accept the Euro and go in completely?
It seems to me that none of you want that but i'm certain that if the IN vote win this will be forced on us eventually.
jimbopm
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Portes and French (2005) Employment A 1 percentage point increase in A8 Worker Registrations in local authorities is associated with a 0.09 per cent increase in native unemployment in that area. Gilpin et al. (2006) Employment Not statistically signifi cant.
Lemos and Portes (2008) Employment Not statistically significant.
Lemos (2010) Employment Not statistically significant.
Migration Advisory Committee (2012) Employment Not statistically significant.
Lemos and Portes (2008) Average wages Not statistically significant.
Lemos (2010) Average wages A 1 percentage point increase in the A8 migrant-working age population ratio is associated with an increase in natives’ average wage of approximately 3.4 per cent. Lemos and Portes (2008) Wage distribution Not statistically signifi cant.
Lemos (2010) Wage distribution An increase of 1 percentage point in the A8 migrant-working age population ratio is associated with a 3.9 per cent increase in the wages of workers in the 60th percentile of the distribution.
As the studies above show, there is no significant evidence linking intra-EU migration to increased native unemployment, decreased average wages or income distribution. Migrant workers actually are net contributors to the budget for public services because the evidence is that they put into public services in tax paid more than they take out.
On housing you have a point, but this is a domestic issue not a European one. For years the government has not kept house building programs at anywhere near the pace required.
jimbopm
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I wouldn't call it half-hearted. We have a unique relationship with the EU, things like the rebate and keeping the pound work for us, the EU would love to not have to give us our rebate back or would love us to join the Euro to help boost it's liquidity but we did the things that were best for the UK.
Gelsons Dad
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Got anything from the last five years? You know, the time period where there has been a huge shift in migration paterns!
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Gelsons Dad
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How much of that is pensions?
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blueinsa
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Never forget the ERM and the damage that did to the UK and jobs.
Funnily enough, recommended by most of those telling us to vote to stay in!
Funnily enough, recommended by most of those telling us to vote to stay in!
jimbopm
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Instead of picking pointless holes in things that don't support your argument, why don't you come up with the evidence to support your point of view?
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Er, you did know that those studies were all done under the restrictions that were not lifted until 2011 didn`t you ?
Since Sunday 1st May 2011, nationals of Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania – the so-called A8 countries which joined the EU in 2004 – are no longer restricted in their access to labour markets and state support systems across the European Union. In the UK context, this means that restrictions on access to work, housing rights and social benefits for A8 nationals have ceased to operate. They effectively now enjoy the same rights as other European Union nationals living in the UK.
Under the 2004 Accession Agreement, the 15 pre-existing EU member states were permitted to introduce transitional restrictions on A8 nationals, relating to their right to work and access state support on their territories. The UK was one of just three states to open its labour markets to A8 nationals in 2004. Other states were more cautious, maintaining tight restrictions on A8 workers for fear of labour market disruption for the first few years at least. By April 2011, Germany and Austria were the only EU countries to remain closed to A8 migrant workers.
Since Sunday 1st May 2011, nationals of Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania – the so-called A8 countries which joined the EU in 2004 – are no longer restricted in their access to labour markets and state support systems across the European Union. In the UK context, this means that restrictions on access to work, housing rights and social benefits for A8 nationals have ceased to operate. They effectively now enjoy the same rights as other European Union nationals living in the UK.
Under the 2004 Accession Agreement, the 15 pre-existing EU member states were permitted to introduce transitional restrictions on A8 nationals, relating to their right to work and access state support on their territories. The UK was one of just three states to open its labour markets to A8 nationals in 2004. Other states were more cautious, maintaining tight restrictions on A8 workers for fear of labour market disruption for the first few years at least. By April 2011, Germany and Austria were the only EU countries to remain closed to A8 migrant workers.
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You can find all sorts of statistics to support one side or other, but they are by nature bias as to who prepared them, common sense will tell you that if you flood a market it effects prices of supply and demand.
Where there are more workers than jobs the wage rates go down, where there are more people than houses rents/ prices go up, where services are already struggling to cope dumping large amounts of new people will have a negative effect.
Those are cold hard facts, it can never work any other way
Where there are more workers than jobs the wage rates go down, where there are more people than houses rents/ prices go up, where services are already struggling to cope dumping large amounts of new people will have a negative effect.
Those are cold hard facts, it can never work any other way
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BlueHammer85
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wouldn't bother me
In fact, would make it easier as i travel alot. Its only a form of currency, i dont see the big deal.
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But it's not just a form of currency - it's a mechanism that demands fiscal and political union to a certain degree, every aspect of your life will be determined by Brussels and the ecb as the Bank of England will just have one representative at the ecb table.
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The last paragraph fully supports that the EU imposes nothing on anyone. As is the case with almost everything, all countries have the right to veto, something the UK does often.
So this scaremongering that Europe does this, that or the other can finally be put to bed as a myth.
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Just been having a peep on rag caf at their EU thread and the results at the mo are almost the opposite of the poll here. They are around 70/30 in favour of staying in. Obviously quite a few of the thick twats will think they are voting to stay in the CL, but that aside I wonder what it says about the location of their fanbase? Someone posted a UK map earlier in this thread which showed the NW being anti EU compared to London/South iirc.
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Only because the vast majority of them are in Belgium, Germany, France........
They also probably think its a new UEFA competition ;-)
Gelsons Dad
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I'm not picking holes, I'm asking for more information. Given how out of date the info you posted is.
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Did I somehow misunderstand the definition of the words "Permit" or "Transitional" ?, have we been led down the path by all these claims that the EU demands "Free movement of people" as a basic component of membership and all we need to do is tell them we veto that ?, please do enlighten us.
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