EU referendum

[Zuriblue]

An alleged convo in 2011? Rofl

And an opinion piece in the same paper by the same writer (Tom Newton-Dunn) demanding that the Queen lets us know what she thinks. In other words he doesn't know so he's made it up out of whole cloth.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Ahh so you're a Blairite. That was his reasoning to the letter. I don't think anybody is arguing that some immigration is not a good thing including UKIP but unfettered immigration just leads to overcrowding as people from the poorer states flock to the richer states for benefits of work and standard of living as well as the free loading. If the infrastructure can cope with it then fine but it's struggling at the moment and on its present course can only get worse. I'll leave out the problem of incompatible religion as that is a subject in itself.

How many of the EU immigrants are of a different religion? If that is an argument we should be taking more from the EU and should have lowered commonwealth immigration.

As shown in those figures if the EU immigration is net positive how are hey free losing. If you are talking about immigration from outside the EU then that's a separate issue and shouldn't be blamed on the EU.

A bigger impact on infrastructure is government cuts and aged assets not being invested in rather than immigrants, you are thinking how the government want you to think.

The above is realism and the world we live in, I am not sure that is Blairism unless you really think Blair was a politician in touch with reality.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Well, apparently, the racist, fascist EU is starting to remove all these valuable immigrants from Western Europe, so they've obviously
not read of the untold benefits that mass immigration brings on here.

They are refugees with no rights to work and are not even allowed to economically contribute if they want to. So it is a nonsense comparison, it is a separate issue, different people and different countries you are talking about.

The refugees are a moral question , the economic EU migrant issue is really a test of whether you trust capitalism.

I've always strongly believed in personal responsibility as an individual and society. If we are part of the cause for a refugee crisis we have to be part of the solution but that is a separate issue and shouldn't be confused

 

[EalingBlue2]

And an opinion piece in the same paper by the same writer (Tom Newton-Dunn) demanding that the Queen lets us know what she thinks. In other words he doesn't know so he's made it up out of whole cloth.

So he thinks the queen should undermine every principle that has maintained the monarchy and the UK political system. The queen ever takes sides in politics and the monarchy won't see out the decade

 

[Ancient Citizen]

so your an inner now? flip flopper

Not quite.

 

[BigJoe#1]

So he thinks the queen should undermine every principle that has maintained the monarchy and the UK political system. The queen ever takes sides in politics and the monarchy won't see out the decade

Except it is considered that she DID take sides in the Scottish referendum. Not full on, not hardcore but subtle and persuasive.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Except it is considered that she DID take sides in the Scottish referendum. Not full on, not hardcore but subtle and persuasive.

We will see how things pan out but it is not inconceivable that Scotland will be a republic in a decade

 

[blueonblue]

We don't currently have an excess in the workforce and I'm not sure we have run out of any schools, houses or hospitals either have we? And why is it finite? We've been closing schools and hospitals for the whole of my lifetime.

Millions on the dole IS an excess of workforce.
There are shortfalls in school places resulting in overcrowded classes, only last week there was the warning your kids have little chance of choice of school in many area`s resulting in busing kids about.
No shortage of houses ... Explain housing waiting lists and the homeless
No shortage of hospitals ?...Waiting lists/canceled surgery/ people on trolleys for 17 hours in A&E (Personal experience) due to lack of beds.

Very selective use of facts when talking about closures, yes they have closed both, either because they were in the wrong place for the population or amalgamated into a more specialized unit to try and make more efficient ( A policy I personalty do not agree with, but then it was a labour policy )

NO country in Europe or anywhere else has ever been subject to mass uncontrolled immigration, even the masses of refugees from world war two were documented and controlled, the EU is now proposing to break international law and pay billions to get rid of what you call a valuable asset.

 

[BigJoe#1]

We will see how things pan out but it is not inconceivable that Scotland will be a republic in a decade

If Britain votes to leave you may well be correct.

 

[Monkfish]

Millions on the dole IS an excess of workforce.
2 jobs available for every jobseeker

There are shortfalls in school places resulting in overcrowded classes, only last week there was the warning your kids have little chance of choice of school in many area`s resulting in busing kids about.
Boo diddley hoo Madison didn't get her chosen school, panic on the streets of Carlisle... Classroom sizes are getting bigger as education budget it getting cut, not complicated

No shortage of houses ... Explain housing waiting lists and the homeless
Plenty houses, just people are picky where they want to live, and there will always be homeless people, afraid some just fall through societies cracks expecially now 'theres no such thing as society'

No shortage of hospitals ?...Waiting lists/canceled surgery/ people on trolleys for 17 hours in A&E (Personal experience) due to lack of beds.
We pay less on healthcare than pretty much every other developed country, hence lack of beds, waiting lists etc, want better, campiagn for tax increase to pay for better