EU referendum

[bluemoon32]

I'm just reading the leaflet. I have felt really torn by this and really want to make the right decision, if we get this wrong the reverberations might last generations. Is how I feel. I am just not 100% either way.

Don't stress it, the reality of politics is this country is that no matter who gets elected, what gets voted on or what party is in power, very very little will change for the vast majority of people in this country in their day to day lives.

 

[blueonblue]

Why do you presume the non-voters don't support the EU?

Why did you presume they did when claiming "Only a 32%" turnout somehow made the vote invalid ?, the simple fact is they did not vote FOR the EU and so the vote represents the will of the Dutch people.

 

[jimbopm]

Why did you presume they did when claiming "Only a 32%" turnout somehow made the vote invalid ?, the simple fact is they did not vote FOR the EU and so the vote represents the will of the Dutch people.

Actually it represents the confirmed will of 19.5% of the emancipated dutch people, could have been more could have been less.

 

[M18CTID]

Is there anywhere that I can get hold of an impartial opinion on this without having to rely solely on making my decision based on the respective campaigns?

 

[whp.blue]

Is there anywhere that I can get hold of an impartial opinion on this without having to rely solely on making my decision based on the respective campaigns?

No everyone has a vested interest

As you know me well enough to trust me; just vote for the brexit we will never get another chance.

 

[M18CTID]

No everyone has a vested interest

As you know me well enough to trust me; just vote for the brexit we will never get another chance.

Ha ha - can't get any more impartial than that!

I have been angling towards the Brexit as I don't think it will be quite the economic disaster that some are predicting. Will still be doing some more research ahead of the vote though

 

[grunge]

Don't stress it, the reality of politics is this country is that no matter who gets elected, what gets voted on or what party is in power, very very little will change for the vast majority of people in this country in their day to day lives.

While this is generally true I think this is one vote that this sentiment doesn't apply. This vote ( if its an out vote ) will have a major impact.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Majority of people I know are voting out. Going to be very close I think come June. Being in charge of our own country and not under the influence of any other country is what I like the sound of.

 

[stonerblue]

Why did you presume they did when claiming "Only a 32%" turnout somehow made the vote invalid ?, the simple fact is they did not vote FOR the EU and so the vote represents the will of the Dutch people.

I didn't. I presumed that the 68% that didn't vote couldn't be arsed either way. If roughly two thirds of the Dutch didn't bother voting then the referendum is hardly the 'will of the people' is it?

 

[whp.blue]

Ha ha - can't get any more impartial than that!

I have been angling towards the Brexit as I don't think it will be quite the economic disaster that some are predicting. Will still be doing some more research ahead of the vote though

if nothing else after all these years in i think being out will give some perspective on our country.

if as some have suggested it will be bad for Europe at some point in the future we would be welcomed back with open arms, anyone around your age have never known anything other than being in europe and this isn't what we originally signed up for

we have been conned once before by our politicians regarding europe don't fall for it again by voting to stay in

 

[urmston]

After yesterdays call by an EU bureaucrat for a ban on referendums, today we have another one, the vice-president of the European parliament, telling us that Cameron's renegaotiation deal is not legally binding.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk...u-clearly-went-too-far-in-brexit-concessions/

Cameron has conned us about this matter, and anyone who believes anything he says about the benefits of staying in the EU needs to question why he should be trusted about anything he says on the matter.

 

[Helmet Cole]

59-41% its still sliding. Come on inners cast your votes!

 

[blueinsa]

After yesterdays call by an EU bureaucrat for a ban on referendums, today we have another one, the vice-president of the European parliament, telling us that Cameron's renegaotiation deal is not legally binding.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk...u-clearly-went-too-far-in-brexit-concessions/

Cameron has conned us about this matter, and anyone who believes anything he says about the benefits of staying in the EU needs to question why he should be trusted about anything he says on the matter.

The so called victories he has claimed of late are token and have been gifted to him by Merkel and co, hoping to fool the British public, nothing more, nothing less.

A vote to remain will be the green light to them to do whatever it is they want.

 

[jimbopm]

After yesterdays call by an EU bureaucrat for a ban on referendums, today we have another one, the vice-president of the European parliament, telling us that Cameron's renegaotiation deal is not legally binding.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk...u-clearly-went-too-far-in-brexit-concessions/

Cameron has conned us about this matter, and anyone who believes anything he says about the benefits of staying in the EU needs to question why he should be trusted about anything he says on the matter.

I don't think you'll find many supporters of the remain campaign are doing so because they trust David Cameron. They are doing so because the overwhelming majority of studies conducted on Britain outside of the EU suggest we would be worse off.

 

[jimbopm]

 

[Moriati]

Who can feel a few Bank Bail-Ins on the agenda?

The likelihood of the Italian can finally spilling worms all over the kitchen floor. Italian bank shares have dropped 50% in value, with €360bn in bad debts putting off all but those with the most faith in insurance company solvency. That’s nearly 20% of the Italian GDP. There is much talk of funds for this, insurers and asset managers for that, and bail-ins for the other.

 

[whp.blue]

59-41% its still sliding. Come on inners cast your votes!

how do you know that all the bluemoon inners haven't already voted?

 

[Helmet Cole]

how do you know that all the bluemoon inners haven't already voted?

Maybe a lot of them are far to clever to stoop to such a tawdry thing as a poll? ;-)

 

[cibaman]

They're fingers in the air because the forecasters don't know what the future relationship will be between the EU and the UK and are making different assumptions. For example, Oxford Economics' estimate of -0.10% assumes a continuing close relationship similar to Norway (including retaining free movement of labour). Their -3.90% forecast is based on the assumption that no deal is struck and we're into tariffs. Until we know where we will end up on that spectrum, the economists are bound to produce widely varying estimates.

That's one of the fundamental problems of the referendum. Nobody really knows what they are voting for.

 

[jimbopm]

They're fingers in the air because the forecasters don't know what the future relationship will be between the EU and the UK and are making different assumptions. For example, Oxford Economics' estimate of -0.10% assumes a continuing close relationship similar to Norway (including retaining free movement of labour). Their -3.90% forecast is based on the assumption that no deal is struck and we're into tariffs. Until we know where we will end up on that spectrum, the economists are bound to produce widely varying estimates.

That's one of the fundamental problems of the referendum. Nobody really knows what they are voting for.

I do accept your point, but part of the debate is to try and predict the consequences of a brexit. Tellingly out of the 6 studies I have referenced, only 2 forecast a benefit to GDP in a best case scenario.