EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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kevin horlocks wand said:
Yes everyday due to what I do for a living.

One example If you are involved in the travel industry there is a new directive coming in called the package travel directive. It's designed to protect consumers if they book online so it means well at its heart but it is full of red tape and inconsistencies with other European legislation and vat legislation. Sorry it sounds poncy this reply but you asked. The directive is well intentioned by the way but the level of crap travel companies have to now sort as a consequence is an example of red tape etc. There already is abta and atol so it's just well...google it if you want to see an actual directive coming in. You could argue Google is the ultimate travel company btw but that is for another thread.

Anyway look the actual laws are well intentioned and I am sure in the end we will get through it but the principle of the Eu again now getting involved and imposing An overarching law on the uk and other member states is just well in my view wrong. The law makers need to be held to account by those that elect them. That principle is divorced now. It's actually even divorced within the Eu itself as the meps don't make the law.
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As I mentioned in an earlier thread and this is absolutely genuine. The translation of even the simplest law or directive is a massive bureaucratic exercise that takes ages.

Translate things from English to another language then back to English and the meaning and impact changes remarkably. Now consider translating something from Englush into say Greek, then the Greeks want to talk to the Portuguese... The translations are horrendous. At least the USA has the advantage of a single language.

Add this to trying to fit everything into the one size Fira all economy and currency and it will continue to deteriorate ata rate of knots.

Believe me on the translation issue I am talking from first hand experience....
 
west didsblue said:
Actually, raising it as a point on this thread was arbitrary and irrelevant to the discussion as membership of the EU or otherwise will make no difference to the ethnic make up of that area. However to pretend 17% is not a minority is wrong. Everyone in that area lives as part of a minority group. It's arguable which is the largest minority depending on how they are grouped, but as I said it's not relevant to this discussion.
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Don't disagree with any of that!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
I think you're missing the point.... never mind, if you're content to have unelected people dictating to you how you should live your life, who am i to argue?

To me this is the thin edge of the wedge.

That said, what are your views on full political integration, fully open borders and the U.K. Joining the Euro? I am genuinely interested as I think if we're in then we're all in, especially if we want to sit at the high table and be an effective part of the key decision making processes and believe me, all the key decisions will be based around theEuro and how to make it stronger with little or no regard for the £ or British opinion - not that we'd be allowed to express one I any case.
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Unelected people ( by me) do Run most of all our lives, be they mandarins, foreign governments, the legal system, foreign multinationals, banks, currency speculators, hedge funds, media moguls it is all so global and interconnected that the brexiters cannot achieve a huge chunk of their aims as such sovereignty just cannot exist in the real world. The closest you can get is maybe North Korea bit even they are beholden to China
 
cibaman said:
The argument was the other way round, that EU legislation is so onerous as to be a good reason to leave. With vacuum cleaner wattages being cited as one example. I doubt that there are many UK vacuum cleaner manufacturers that don't also export to the EU and will no longer have to worry about these rules if we leave. I'm not saying we should stay in because of EU legislation just that I don't believe that there's a clear case for leaving because of them.
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It's pretty irrelevant to be honest the idea the UK will be able to compete on the open global market on technology and cost on a durable good like a vacuum cleaner (other than on a niche brand) and the idea even if they did that manufacturing stays on shore is laughable . The U.K. Will get to choose whether it gets them from west or east chinA. The first time an issue happens with one or a more green government gets in and the rules will probably be aligned with Europe
 
BlueHammer85 said:
and the U.K. Joining the Euro?

Are we ?
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Yes, whether we want to or not. If the UK is still a member of the EU, legislation stipulates that ALL EU members must adopt the Euro single currency by 2020. The reforms Cameron put forward to the EU contains an opt out, but again, these reforms have not yet been accepted, and if they are notm and the UK is still a member, we start using the Euro... and aaaaall that that entails. (cough Greece, cough Italy, cough bailouts)
 
Oh yeah!
It is amazing how the outers keep coming out with these proclamations.

If it is true that every country has to adopt the euro by 2020 why have we learned about it on a poxy football forum?
Why aren't the combined nut jobs who are running the out campaign screaming it at every opportunity?
Why hasn't it been splashed all over the pro Brexit media?

Where is the source material to prove the claim?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Yes, whether we want to or not. If the UK is still a member of the EU, legislation stipulates that ALL EU members must adopt the Euro single currency by 2020. The reforms Cameron put forward to the EU contains an opt out, but again, these reforms have not yet been accepted, and if they are notm and the UK is still a member, we start using the Euro... and aaaaall that that entails. (cough Greece, cough Italy, cough bailouts)
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The UK and Denmark have got opt outs as agreed at Maastricht.
 
west didsblue said:
The UK and Denmark have got opt outs as agreed at Maastricht.
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At the moment, yes, but by 2020 the EU wants to completely eliminate the idea of a "non-eurozone", meaning all members in the EU will have to adopt the Euro.
 
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Monkfish said:
Would you like me to make random stuff up like your good self? Would that make me more interesting?
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When did you stop making things up?

edit: I don't know, knock yourself out
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I don't mean to be too disparaging about the out group (though it is fun), but you must admit the crackpot claims such as those from our umlaut friend above do your campaign no favours, why do so many rabid nutters feel the need to make this kind of thing up? There is loads of reasons to leave the eu without coming up with weird shit,I don't get it
 
Monkfish said:
I don't mean to be too disparaging about the out group (though it is fun), but you must admit the crackpot claims such as those from our umlaut friend above do your campaign no favours, why do so many rabid nutters feel the need to make this kind of thing up? There is loads of reasons to leave the eu without coming up with weird shit,I don't get it
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Because, fishy knickers, nutters like Juncker, Verhofstadt and Von Rompuy have all said similar in the past two years when it was announced.
 
When what was announced? Source please of whatever you think was 'announced'

You don't need to be civil, but a degree of sanity would aid this 'debate'
 
I thought i would get a recent quote on what BoJo reckoned would be good advice as a leading Brexiter.


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Well, that went well
 
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