EU referendum

[kevin horlocks wand]

If we stay in the age of consent is likely to be lowered to 13 to keep the Belgians and Germans happy.
This could be good news for many of our favourite entertainers and DJ's.
I don't know why the remain camp don't focusore on benefits like this.

Hang on do prisoners vote. Saville hall etc will be voting...

 

[Helmet Cole]

Hang on do prisoners vote. Saville hall etc will be voting...

Not sure about savile. Try the spiritualist thread mate.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Not sure about savile. Try the spiritualist thread mate.

Oh yes....

He never replied to my request to meet big daddy anyway. Dirty fooker.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Sir Cliff might be able to come home and try for another Xmas no.1 if the legislation gets through in time. Let's vote in and protect a well loved national institution like sir Cliff.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Sir Cliff might be able to come home and try for another Xmas no.1 if the legislation gets through in time. Let's vote in and protect a well loved national institution like sir Cliff.

Agreed. I am in now those portugueseers can have his wine and wired for sound nonsense.

Am fm, I feel so ecstatic now....

Power From the people to the masses

Cliff said it first......

 

[AlgarveBlu]

In truth they know their constituency is not exclusively stupid but they do believe it is predominantly stupid. They are asking the British people to leave the largest trading block in the world, it is simply madness without a viable alternative

The madness could have been avoided had they come up with a viable alternative, but they have none, absolutely none. The idea we can blissfully carry on as if nothing has happened were we to leave, trading happily with our European neighbours on our terms with none of the costs or beastly EU interventions is simply absurd, how stupid do you have to be to swallow that?

Answer...Very stupid indeed.

The thrust of your comments are very common place with the remain camp and I think you have summarised there what the vast majority of those wishing to remain would say - do you not think the question of blissfully carrying on with the eu by staying requires the same level of scrutiny and analysis?

I think both sides of this debate agree that the burning intention of the eu is to ultimately create a federalist entity - I, and I assume no one else on this board can give any definitive answers in relation to what trading agreements will be etc should the UK leave the EU as there are too many variables involved and they are mainly due to political reasons rather than practical ones. But can you tell us how the UK will function in this eu drive for federalism with the requirements needed for fiscal and political union?

The ambitions to create a federal state will require not just face lift but a complete lobotomy.

 

[Mancini Manus Domini]

The thrust of your comments are very common place with the remain camp and I think you have summarised there what the vast majority of those wishing to remain would say - do you not think the question of blissfully carrying on with the eu by staying requires the same level of scrutiny and analysis?

I think both sides of this debate agree that the burning intention of the eu is to ultimately create a federalist entity - I, and I assume no one else on this board can give any definitive answers in relation to what trading agreements will be etc should the UK leave the EU as there are too many variables involved and they are mainly due to political reasons rather than practical ones. But can you tell us how the UK will function in this eu drive for federalism with the requirements needed for fiscal and political union?

The ambitions to create a federal state will require not just face lift but a complete lobotomy.

So we vote to stay in and you believe we will have no say or veto when Europe chooses to become a federalist state? We already opt out of the Euro but vote in and we will now be obligated to join it?

 

[AlgarveBlu]

So we vote to stay in and you believe we will have no say or veto when Europe chooses to become a federalist state? We already opt out of the Euro but vote in and we will now be obligated to join it?

There wont be some announcement of a federal state, I suspect it will begin with the implementation of light weight tax harmonisation programmes throughout the 'Eurozone' countries gradually moving to a more consolidated position in around 5 years (the use of an eu tax identification number is an example of the foundations being placed) - as I understand it the extent of the UK's veto on Eurozone matters is minimalistic.

They're won't be any obligation to join the euro for the uk but ultimately the reparatory work on the political and fiscal framework that is needed to support the euro will be vast and there will be an overspill in many areas on fiscal elements (before political) that will impact the non Eurozone members - if the eu is headed for a two tier system then the weighting of preference on the framework needed with the ECB, the regulators, the bond market and the banking sector will always go to the Eurozone. The amount of political capital that has gone into this currency is unprecedented we have all seen what they have been prepared to do to a sovereign nation state in Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Cyprus over the last 6 years to ensure that nothing deviates away from that.

 

[smudgedj]

So we vote to stay in and you believe we will have no say or veto when Europe chooses to become a federalist state? We already opt out of the Euro but vote in and we will now be obligated to join it?

If we vote in then we should be fully in. No half measures.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

If we vote in then we should be fully in. No half measures.

God help us all, not even Flash Gordon could save us from that apocalyptic scenario

 

[lazerblue]

Right, let's get down to the real nitty gritty.
How much will a pint and and a full English be if we leave?

£15 a pint and the same for breakfast if u believe the inners, plus vat of course

 

[The perfect fumble]

The thrust of your comments are very common place with the remain camp and I think you have summarised there what the vast majority of those wishing to remain would say - do you not think the question of blissfully carrying on with the eu by staying requires the same level of scrutiny and analysis?

I think both sides of this debate agree that the burning intention of the eu is to ultimately create a federalist entity - I, and I assume no one else on this board can give any definitive answers in relation to what trading agreements will be etc should the UK leave the EU as there are too many variables involved and they are mainly due to political reasons rather than practical ones. But can you tell us how the UK will function in this eu drive for federalism with the requirements needed for fiscal and political union?

The ambitions to create a federal state will require not just face lift but a complete lobotomy.

LOL...There she blows, the United States of Europe! Gotcha! Go on remainer convince me!

Errrrr! No.

We don't have a United States of Europe and we never will, and the inexorable march towards this fictitious super state is a leaver fantasy that remainers feel under no obligation to indulge, sorry about that, we're not running down that rabbit hole, no matter how much it annoys the of the likes of Gove, Duncan Smith, Farage, Johnson and all the other "Merkel under the bed" conspiracists.
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[smudgedj]

God help us all, not even Flash Gordon could save us from that apocalyptic scenario

You´re either in Europe or you´re not. If we vote in you need to expect the Euro as the currency, you need to expect open borders, an EU military, the rules and regulations you live under made by unelected officials. However there are advantages, no need to queue up for a visa (some of us will remember queuing up in the post office for the one year passports), and cheaper mobile phone calls (even though everyone uses whatsap, skype or facetime when calling abroad)

 

[Monkfish]

£15 a pint and the same for breakfast if u believe the inners, plus vat of course

Same price but only pure untouched by foreign hands alcohol available, so get used to a nice pint of mild kids

 

[Monkfish]

If we vote in you need to expect the Euro as the currency (even though everyone uses whatsap, skype or facetime when calling abroad)

Wrong
And
Wrong

 

[hilts]

£15 a pint and the same for breakfast if u believe the inners, plus vat of course

I thought we were going to be on rations if we leave, my bunker is already built

 

[AlgarveBlu]

LOL...There she blows, the United States of Europe! Gotcha! Go on remainer convince me!

Errrrr! No.

We don't have a United States of Europe and we never will, and the inexorable march towards this fictitious super state is a leaver fantasy that remainers feel under no obligation to indulge, sorry about that, we're not running down that rabbit hole, no matter how much it annoys the of the likes of Gove, Duncan Smith, Farage, Johnson and all the other "Merkel under the bed" conspiracists.
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In summary then you have concluded that any discussions about potential trading arrangements that could be favourable to the UK are fantasy and that the EU is not on a path to closer union - some talent you got their pal! and next weeks lottery numbers are?

Here's a quote from Manuel Barros (He was the previous president of the eu between 2004 and 2014, just in case anyone on the leave side with learning difficulties are struggling with that one) -

Federal Europe will be 'a reality in a few years', says Jose Manuel Barroso
A fully fledged federal Europe may seem like "political science fiction" today but will soon become reality for all European Union countries whether inside or outside the euro, Jose Manuel Barroso has said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-in-a-few-years-says-Jose-Manuel-Barroso.html

So in essence someone who was the president of the eu for 10 years was talking out of his arse - I wonder how and why he formed such an opinion?

 

[worsleyweb]

You always seem to be talking about how well you are doing? It can hardly have been too hard on you? Whose lives are being destroyed, where is this North Korean enclave in Cheshire?

There isn't one here which is why I moved - has levenshulme improved due to immigration? Or Bolton? Or Blackburn? Or Bradford? Or Oldham? Or the east end of London?

 

[worsleyweb]

Would you welcome a Paris style terrorist attack just before the vote if it helped you achieve your aims?

What do you think?

 

[cibaman]

When someone calls everyone else stupid, you know they have no argument at all.

Is that why the Leavers leaders are treating their target audience as if they are all stupid?

Today we have Gove and Johnson publishing an open letter to Cameron on his failure to meet immigration targets. As if they haven't enough supporters already banging on about the subject. Surely, if they need that stuff they can rely on Farage and the Daily Mail? Gove is probably the only Leaver MP capable of making an intelligent argument for Brexit, he ought to be focusing entirely on the structural problems of the EU, the Euro etc. Instead they've got him sinking to the bottom of the barrel.