EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
hi mate.....So that is your basis for why you say they must be wrong now?
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Nope it's just that a lot of arguments seem to be well 9 out of 10 experts think this, ergo they must be right.

I am giving you an example of what has been said by the same experts including the governor of the Bank of England for years. Meanwhile , on the back of this people have wrongly followed the experts 'advice' fixed their mortgages at higher rates and lost money.

Don't always follow the experts because they are not always right and are often wrong.
 
SWP's back said:
To be fair you can ask 100 economists a question and each and every one will give you a different answer.
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That's often quoted when economists say something you don't agree with.

Best left to the experts....

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kevin horlocks wand said:
Nope it's just that a lot of arguments seem to be well 9 out of 10 experts think this, ergo they must be right.

I am giving you an example of what has been said by the same experts including the governor of the Bank of England for years. Meanwhile , on the back of this people have wrongly followed the experts 'advice' fixed their mortgages at higher rates and lost money.

Don't always follow the experts because they are not always right and are often wrong.
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completely understand mate but is it also fair to say, for the average person on the street that knows "nothing" about these things......we cant just push the economists views out the window and say they dont know what they are talking about....?
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Haha! Good point.

That said, I am still waiting for the outers to explain how they are going to bring in more skilled labour from outside the EU whilst reducing non EU immigration from over 180k to 30k!
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Simple, ALL migration will be controlled, EU and non-EU. The skills that are required will be identified and will be a pre-requisite to allowing individuals in, both EU and non-EU alike. The fly in the ointment (sorry if that's flyist) is the asylum seeking refugees, they will need to be accommodated too. Still, at least we will have the begining of a controlled immigration process!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Impressive, whilst I accept it's from a pro-Brexit paper and a survey carried out by a pro-Brexit group it's still impressive. Even more so because they'd have to be confident yo make such a claim. I can't see it being anywhere near that decisive either way but...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-camp-take-19-POINT-lead-Britons-flock-Brexit
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It reminds me of the Yes, Prime Minister episode where Sir Humphrey demonstrated how you could rig a poll by asking a series of loaded questions preceding the main question that you are trying to fix.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
completely understand mate but is it also fair to say, for the average person on the street that knows "nothing" about these things......we cant just push the economists views out the window and say they dont know what they are talking about....?
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well in carneys case he is responsible for setting interest rates, he is not only an expert , it's his job, he has loads of staff giving him data to tell him and guide him as an authority on what might happen to interest rates in the future. He warns the market of his views so we can all plan according to the independence of the bank. He has forecast interest rates will start to rise in.... ( insert next, second third, fourth quarter) as appropriate and he gets it wrong. It costs people money and makes money for the banks.

The average man should vote based on the issue of importance to him. It's not all about the economy to people. People are making the decision for lots of different reasons and fair play to them.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Simple, ALL migration will be controlled, EU and non-EU. The skills that are required will be identified and will be a pre-requisite to allowing individuals in, both EU and non-EU alike. The fly in the ointment (sorry if that's flyist) is the asylum seeking refugees, they will need to be accommodated too. Still, at least we will have the begining of a controlled immigration process!
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Not so easy BigJoe. We have a points system of sorts for non EU immigrants and the total last year was over 180k.

Brexiters (politicians rather than Bluemooners) have been making claims that the UK will be able to recruit more skilled labour from outside the EU whilst cutting overall immigration to tens of thousands!

Farrage said 30 to 40k
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Not so easy BigJoe. We have a points system of sorts for non EU immigrants and the total last year was over 180k.

Brexiters (politicians rather than Bluemooners) have been making claims that the UK will be able to recruit more skilled labour from outside the EU whilst cutting overall immigration to tens of thousands!

Farrage said 30 to 40k
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Agreed, but that's all under current rules and regulations, expect to see changes, again, no one can make any commitments beyond this at this stage, it will become oarty political.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
well in carneys case he is responsible for setting interest rates, he is not only an expert , it's his job, he has loads of staff giving him data to tell him and guide him as an authority on what might happen to interest rates in the future. He warns the market of his views so we can all plan according to the independence of the bank. He has forecast interest rates will start to rise in.... ( insert next, second third, fourth quarter) as appropriate and he gets it wrong. It costs people money and makes money for the banks.

The average man should vote based on the issue of importance to him. It's not all about the economy to people. People are making the decision for lots of different reasons and fair play to them.
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We can agree on that mate!;).....we all vote for very different reasons and rightly so.....what concerns me is just the amount of people I've talked with that are voting "leave" only to stop immigration but dont even consider the impact on the economy short or long term....from my personal experience and those I have spoken with, I think the "leave" vote might win because of the emotion behind "immigration" but believe a sizeable amount of those voters wouldnt have even given the economy a 2nd thought....which is their right as a voter but alittle worrying...
 
SWP's back said:
Are you saying its untrue?
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I'm saying that this thread is chock full of people only too happy to dismiss the professionals because what they are saying doesn't chime with whatever it is they believe (and whatever is the word for it, I genuinely don't know what the Brexiters believe, they simply don't have a plan post Brexit). It's the fashion it would seem, dumbing down is the new black, every opinion has equal validity, except of course it doesn't.

There is no coherent economic case for Brexit, zero, zilch, even the Brexiters have given up pretending there is, instead they play the only card they have, day in, day out, immigration.

It might be a winning hand but it doesn't win the argument.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I'm saying that this thread is chock full of people only too happy to dismiss the professionals because what they are saying doesn't chime with whatever it is they believe (and whatever is the word for it, I genuinely don't know what the Brexiters believe, they simply don't have a plan post Brexit). It's the fashion it would seem, dumbing down is the new black, every opinion has equal validity, except of course it doesn't.

There is no coherent economic case for Brexit, zero, zilch, even the Brexiters have given up pretending there is, instead they play the only card they have, day in, day out, immigration.
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But there is a coherent economic case for Brexit. Patrick Minford and his group have made it and it was highlighted earlier in the thread. It might be correct, it might not be, but it is very coherent.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
But there is a coherent economic case for Brexit. Patrick Minford and his group have made it and it was highlighted earlier in the thread. It might be correct, it might not be, but it is very coherent.
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Yes, I've read it.

It has a beginning a middle and an end, so from that standpoint it is coherent.

I work with (not for) the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, the projections I've seen are in stark contrast to the sunny uplands Minford describes, as for Minford's assertion...

"Britain is good at putting on a suit and selling to other nations."

Really? I'm afraid the figures say otherwise.
 
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