Everton and David Moyes (merged)

Re: David Moyes

jimharri said:
EFC123 said:
Good, an honest answer. He is miles better btw, just needs another CH to play alongside.

So Toure cost what, £25m?

If you had offered a similar amount in the first place, as that seemed to be the going rate for 'decent' CH then I dont think there would have been a problem
. What Moyes was pissed off about was Mark Hughes seemingly talking about 'our' player as if he was his, before a deal had been agreed. Moyes was thinking 17/18m for Lescott when you have just signed that lump of shite for 25m, hmmmmm yeah!

I said on another thread that Hughes let the fact he had an open cheque book go to his head.

I still think he's a better manager than Mancini though and you'd have had 4th place in the bag by now if you hadnt of sacked him.
Try doing a bit of research before you post; it was £14m actually. So you think Lescott would have been sold for that amount?

I thought it was initally 16m, potentially rising to 25m? Could be wrong but who actually knows the inns and outs of a transfer deal.

The point is, and you've seen both of them play this season, Lescott is streets ahead of Toure both in terms of defending and goalscoring threat (8-10 per season for a CH). Even if it was 14m and thats it, Lescott is worth more than 4m on top of that.

And if you want my honest opinion, all things being equal Lescott is worth 15m tops. Its just the fact that you've got money and will pay premiums, but you are going to get that with pretty much every transfer you do.
 
Re: David Moyes

EFC123 said:
jimharri said:
Try doing a bit of research before you post; it was £14m actually. So you think Lescott would have been sold for that amount?

I thought it was initally 16m, potentially rising to 25m? Could be wrong but who actually knows the inns and outs of a transfer deal.

The point is, and you've seen both of them play this season, Lescott is streets ahead of Toure both in terms of defending and goalscoring threat (8-10 per season for a CH). Even if it was 14m and thats it, Lescott is worth more than 4m on top of that.

And if you want my honest opinion, all things being equal Lescott is worth 15m tops. Its just the fact that you've got money and will pay premiums, but you are going to get that with pretty much every transfer you do.

I think the premiums will end when we either win something or make the top 4.
At the minuite the money is all we have.
 
Re: David Moyes

1dart said:
EFC123 said:
I thought it was initally 16m, potentially rising to 25m? Could be wrong but who actually knows the inns and outs of a transfer deal.

The point is, and you've seen both of them play this season, Lescott is streets ahead of Toure both in terms of defending and goalscoring threat (8-10 per season for a CH). Even if it was 14m and thats it, Lescott is worth more than 4m on top of that.

And if you want my honest opinion, all things being equal Lescott is worth 15m tops. Its just the fact that you've got money and will pay premiums, but you are going to get that with pretty much every transfer you do.

I think the premiums will end when we either win something or make the top 4.
At the minuite the money is all we have
.

I agree.
 
Re: David Moyes

EFC123 said:
alib said:
from what I've seen so far this season I'd say Lescott is better than Toure (just)

Good, an honest answer. He is miles better btw, just needs another CH to play alongside.

So Toure cost what, £25m?

If you had offered a similar amount in the first place, as that seemed to be the going rate for 'decent' CH then I dont think there would have been a problem. What Moyes was pissed off about was Mark Hughes seemingly talking about 'our' player as if he was his, before a deal had been agreed. Moyes was thinking 17/18m for Lescott when you have just signed that lump of shite for 25m, hmmmmm yeah!

I said on another thread that Hughes let the fact he had an open cheque book go to his head.

I still think he's a better manager than Mancini though and you'd have had 4th place in the bag by now if you hadnt of sacked him.

You've got the transfer fees of the two players we signed from Arsenal mixed up. Adebayor cost around £25 million whereas Toure's fee was something in the region of £14 million.

If I remember correctly, the opening bid for Lescott was in mid-July and was £15 million which was rejected so the opening bid was above what we paid for Toure. Shortly after that another bid of £18 million was turned down. The information for both the above came from Everton FC. While I don't blame you one bit for holding out for more money and while I appreciate you're only defending your manager's behaviour in the saga, I thought Moyes' conduct during the whole affair was both naive and contradictory and by stretching it out almost to the end of the transfer window it had a detrimental effect on your form in the opening weeks of the season. The transfer could've been fast-tracked weeks before if your board and Moyes told us straight that he was for sale but only if the bid was well in excess of £20 million.
 
Re: David Moyes

EFC123 said:
Lescott is streets ahead of Toure both in terms of defending and goalscoring threat (8-10 per season for a CH). Even if it was 14m and thats it, Lescott is worth more than 4m on top of that.
Agreed about Lescott being better than Toure (i think most City fans think the same). However, re. the whole transfer saga. I would ask you one question. Has Gollum (or indeed any manager) ever paid the asking fee straight away, without trying to haggle and hammer the price down? Honestly?
 
Re: David Moyes

EFC123 said:
I thought it was initally 16m, potentially rising to 25m? Could be wrong but who actually knows the inns and outs of a transfer deal.

The point is, and you've seen both of them play this season, Lescott is streets ahead of Toure both in terms of defending and goalscoring threat (8-10 per season for a CH). Even if it was 14m and thats it, Lescott is worth more than 4m on top of that.

And if you want my honest opinion, all things being equal Lescott is worth 15m tops. Its just the fact that you've got money and will pay premiums, but you are going to get that with pretty much every transfer you do.

i'm sorry, but this makes no difference whatsoever. players tend to cost more when being bought from the big clubs. smaller clubs have no comeback when money is offered, they need it. just as we had to sell swp, anelka and several others before ADUG came in. and whats the point in paying more when you can get them for less?
 
Re: David Moyes

Gutted I can't make tomorrow night but after Sunderland, derby ticks, Spurs ticks and Villa aswell as other things the wallet is looking shit till friday... two days after the game! grrr.
 

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