Everton post-match thread

I simply don't see these issues that others seem to be seeing. If you had told me at the start of the season that we would be in the semi's of the capital one cup, topped our champs league group, and be 3 points off top, I would have snapped your hand off. If this is a bad season of football that you can't bear to watch (as some on here have been saying) all I can say is you simply can't like the game of football.

No team has a God given right to win a game and you have to respect the fact that a lot of teams below us are progressing, getting better and closing the gap on ALL the top teams. I would suggest the new influx of TV money and the fact that for 3 or so years we were hindered in the transfer market by FFP are the reason for that.

I was mainly disappointed that we didn't get the draw but it was one delicious ball from Barry and yes we gave him too much time to find the cross but overall 2.1 gives us a good chance of getting to the final and confident we can beat Everton at the Etihad as we can most teams.
I think that people on here are worried about what they are seeing away from home over the last 2-3 months. It has been piss poor to be honest. Yes we can get to the final but not sure we will and if we get there on current form we would struggle. The big concern for me is getting an improvement away in the league which is not likely at the present. I hope I am wrong but I can see our challenge drifting away on a number of fronts in the coming weeks. However, in fairness to Pellers he deserves the chance to get things together and I am far from convinced that an interim would be much use now to be honest
 
We have a number of issues related to the way we play and the way we are run.
Brian Clough once said you need three piano players and seven piano shifters. We seem to have seven players and expect the three shifters to do the work of seven.
This is great when it works - see how many goals we scored two seasons ago; but it certainly isn't working at the moment. We are struggling to score and can't keep a clean sheet. We are stuffed if the opposition work hard, we are stuffed if they park the bus, we are stuffed if they break with pace and we are stuffed if they press.
The frustration from fans, certainly this fan, is that we can see the sheer quality in the players at our disposal. KDB, Sergio (when fit), Silva, Yaya and Sterling all offer that spark to shred opponents. But they are delivering too infrequently.
In Pellers first season we had some duff results at the start losing at Cardiff and Villa but after 20 games we had five more points than we have this season, we'd scored ten more goals (including 6 against both Arse and Spuds), our GD was 8 better and we were 6-0 up after the first leg of the LC semi-final. - Two years on and we've gone backwards.
But is it a surprise? We started the season with three forwards; one out of form and with illness-related issues, one an untried youngster and the other a world-class superstar who we struggle to keep fit and who takes far too long to get back to full fitness. Did Sergio miss a sitter midway through the second half? It looked like it in the ground but hasn't had a mention on here.
We needed an extra striker and it was obvious to everybody unless they though Sergio's injury problems were going to disappear.
We are also under-equipped at the back; Vince is a man of glass, MDM is past it, Mangle is a rich man's Richard Dunne and Otto is a good player but hardly great. I think Mangle and Otto could each form a great partnership with Vince but our captain isn't available most of the time and we seem to have done bugger all to address the problem.
We are in a great position in the league and can beat Everton in the second leg, but we are not firing on all cylinders and have hardly done so all season. And don't expect the refereeing to improve.
Reasons to be thankful: Loads. Reasons to be concerned: Just as many.
 
It was a staggeringly inept performance against a decent, but no better, Everton side. At times we veered towards the kind of shambolic display we've seen against Ajax, Southampton, CSKA, Liverpool etc. in recent years. We looked completely ragged, and the lack of composure on display was, for a supposedly top side, staggering.

For me, our main problem was, and invariably is, the lack of compactness from front to back. I honestly haven't seen a team anywhere, at any level, this season, that plays with such ridiculously huge gaps between the lines. Inasmuch as there is so often so much talk about our 'midfield two' being the root of our problems, we saw again last night - as we have done countless other times this season - that sticking an extra man in midfield makes next to no difference. It was still ridiculously easy for them to drop balls into their front men, or into players stood in twenty yards of space in front of the back four.

As far as I can see, we either have to allow our defenders to stay deep, in which case the central midfielders have to stay right on their toes (and then we look to play on the counter at pace), or else we need to get our centre halves up the pitch and close up the gaps that way - i.e. play like we did against Chelsea at the start of the season, when Kompany and Mangala were right up on the halfway line, hitting Costa aggressively and early. For me, that's when we're at our best - the midfield two, including Yaya, was no problem at the start of the season when we were much more compact, and it allows our forward players to play much closer together. Contrary to the general view, I think our problem is that we defend far too deep - there were times last night where Everton turned the ball over in their own area, and our centre halves were stood some 25 yards back in their own half. If you were to watch Bayern, for example - in a similar situation, their back four would be a good 15, even 20 yards higher up the pitch. It's no wonder we can't press effectively, when the midfield is being to asked to cover a gap of 50-60 yards (although that doesn't excuse our forward players, who still don't work anywhere near hard enough).

The change we'll see in this regard if and when Guardiola arrives will be seismic. Someone (perhaps Prestwich Blue?) posted a link in the Guardiola thread a while back to a good article explaining how so much of his (Guardiola's, not Prestwich Blue's!) philosophy turns on keeping the team compact and the gaps between players as short as possible. The extent of the difference between how we're playing at the moment, and how we're likely to play under Guardiola, makes it nigh on impossible to judge, on the basis of current performances, who will thrive and who won't under him. To look at Yaya last night, you might well argue that he's finished as a top-level player; under Guardiola, he might still have two or three years left in him, perhaps in the Alonso role. Someone like Nasri, who many would consider too lazy to find favour with Guardiola, might thrive in a side in which the players are asked to cover shorter distances in sharper bursts. At any rate, his arrival can't come soon enough - I like Pellegrini, and have backed him plenty of times in the past, but his time with us has obviously come to an end, and there were points last night where I thought he'd lost the plot (the Fernando sub is still one which, with the greatest will in the world, I can't get my head around). I just hope we can somehow turn things around for the rest of the season, because at the moment, honestly, I fear that we're going to fall away horribly.
 
I thought we played with more energy than at Watford and showed some good quick passing exchanges. Sadly the final ball was often wayward or a player took a poor touch or chose the wrong option. It's just not happening for Silva since his injury. Yaya is a fading force and I don't think we'll see the best of De Bruyne until next season. We're missing Nasri more than I ever thought we would.

Defensively though we are a horror show. We look vulnerable every time someone runs at us or even plays a long ball. Frequently a single straight pass can take our whole midfield out of the game and expose the back four. Kompany would help but he alone is not the answer. The offside trap worked well last night but it's a risky strategy, not least because even if the team gets it right the officials may not. In defence of the team I've seen a couple of reports using Everton's disallowed goals as evidence of defensive frailty. If anything they are about the only positive we can say about the defending last night.

It feels like 2013 all over again. We have the players and you think all year 'oh they'll click into gear soon, we're bound to go on a good run'. It's not happened yet and there aren't many signs that it is going to. We're lucky that there are no outstanding teams this year.
 
Lots of hope and expectation for the summer with Pep supposedly arriving, just for one minute think that if we write this season off thinking all will be well when he arrives, what happens if he doesn't sign?

At the moment we have a great chance in 2 competitions, ( the FA cup could possibly throw up some horrendous away game) but unfortunately we don't seem to be up for the challenge. People will say " look at the position we are in", I'm only basing what I am saying on what I am seeing. We have got results when not playing particularly well and a few late goals have dragged us out of the proverbial a few times.

To get this back on track, a big shift in attitude and commitment needs to be incorporated into our game, plus the fact we have a world class forward who doesn't see the ball
 
Lots of hope and expectation for the summer with Pep supposedly arriving, just for one minute think that if we write this season off thinking all will be well when he arrives, what happens if he doesn't sign?

At the moment we have a great chance in 2 competitions, ( the FA cup could possibly throw up some horrendous away game) but unfortunately we don't seem to be up for the challenge. People will say " look at the position we are in", I'm only basing what I am saying on what I am seeing. We have got results when not playing particularly well and a few late goals have dragged us out of the proverbial a few times.

To get this back on track, a big shift in attitude and commitment needs to be incorporated into our game, plus the fact we have a world class forward who doesn't see the ball

IMO one of the major reasons this season is playing out the way it is is because everyone knows Pep is coming.

Was always going to be one way or the other. Players either raise themselves or don't knowing the new manager is coming.
 
I think that people on here are worried about what they are seeing away from home over the last 2-3 months. It has been piss poor to be honest. Yes we can get to the final but not sure we will and if we get there on current form we would struggle. The big concern for me is getting an improvement away in the league which is not likely at the present. I hope I am wrong but I can see our challenge drifting away on a number of fronts in the coming weeks. However, in fairness to Pellers he deserves the chance to get things together and I am far from convinced that an interim would be much use now to be honest

Couldn't give a shit about the league cup mate to be honest-the league is what matters and not a competition where you beat fucking cannon fodder along the way, its what teams like Tottenham get a hard on for- not a club that has a squad like ours.
 
Not defending the players attitude but there are one or two players now openly questioning the bench. Hart in previous games and Aguero's disbelief at the final substitution. I think the players have had enough with the formation and lack of tactics and gameplan. There comes a time when a manager can't turn it around and doesn't know how to and I think we are there now. Also don't subscribe to the theory that Pellers is okay with being replaced at the end of the season. We are at a crossroads for this season and unless the manager and players sort this out it this week it is not going to end well. Pellers has already stated the FA Cup is a distraction so let's see what performance we get on Saturday.
 
IMO one of the major reasons this season is playing out the way it is is because everyone knows Pep is coming.

Was always going to be one way or the other. Players either raise themselves or don't knowing the new manager is coming.
Another is that in a predictable high tempo game we're effectively playing with 10 men every time. Pellegrini has totally lost it.
 
I suspect Fernando was intro'd to allow Yaya to push further upfield. Problem was Yaya was absent without leave for most of the game so it wasn't non starter. Trying to take positives, thought Sergio was looking somewhere close to his best and Delph looking better. Hopefully a goal will give Navas more confidence. As far as the semi is concerned, it's only half time, still all to play for.

Funny how we all see different things watching the same game. I thought Delph was poor, albeit being played out of position. He needs to be more positive with his runs and passing for me.

Also think it's unfair to judge Sergio at the moment. He was isolated for most of the game last night. Having said that, he could have scored in both halves.

Part of the problem for me is that KDB and Silva occupy the same areas of the pitch too much, making it easier to mark them both. When we have wingers, those pockets of space become larger allowing Silva or KDB room to work and create.

If I was able to pick the team, I'd try 442 for a few games with Silva or Sterling as the number 10. It worked well at Watford.
 

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