Everton - Post match thread.

Good assessment imo
Agree and lets hope we improve as little seems to have changed since the corresponding fixture last October.
Last year we missed two peno's a litany of chances went behind to their only worthwhile chance and managed to scrabble an equaliser.
This year we had a player sent off, missed a load of chances, went behind to a lone strike on goal and barely managed to scrape an equaliser.
 
The manager sent out a dog's dinner of a team.
A back 3 with a slow ditherer like John Stones in the middle of it. God help us. The oldish Kompany and Otamendi on the two ends having to cover fairly large areas? Which they did rather poorly. At Brighton, Walker had been the most progressive player on the pitch. Here, he hardly saw the ball. Kompany was getting it where he should have. Aguero gets scapegoated by the manager and the idiots on here parrot his opinion like it's gospel. He was an absolute star on Monday night. He led the line, kept going, looked like he wanted it all game. Without him we'd have lost that game. Easily City's best player on the night. But he'll get blamed for the draw because he missed the only decent chance he got. The Pep parrots will say "We must be more clinical." What does that mean? Maybe we should stop fucking about at the back and give Serge the ball a bit quicker. Oh, and Jesus needs a rest. He does Jack Shit where it matters and falls over too easily.
 
Need a left back ? We've just signed Mendy, and the cover is Danilo who can play left and right back (as well as midfield). I think Pep's thinking is that Dinho can cover at right back and Sane at left wing back (albeit he's clearly struggling). Pep's teams are quite fluid - not quite the English 'You're the left back and you're the centre mid'. Look at what he did with Lahm - converted the world's best full back into a world class holding midfielder. It's a unique and refreshing approach - a world away from Maureen's "You stand there and wait for the diagonal long ball".
Original plan was to sign dani alves walker, mendy and bertrand. It is that dani alves did not sign and the club compromised with signing danilo and playing him as lb and rb. We are gonna sign a left back whether this window or the next. Most probably next. Danilo is not a left back nor fernandinho. Of course they can play there, but playing good is the issue.
 
The manager sent out a dog's dinner of a team.
A back 3 with a slow ditherer like John Stones in the middle of it. God help us. The oldish Kompany and Otamendi on the two ends having to cover fairly large areas? Which they did rather poorly. At Brighton, Walker had been the most progressive player on the pitch. Here, he hardly saw the ball. Kompany was getting it where he should have. Aguero gets scapegoated by the manager and the idiots on here parrot his opinion like it's gospel. He was an absolute star on Monday night. He led the line, kept going, looked like he wanted it all game. Without him we'd have lost that game. Easily City's best player on the night. But he'll get blamed for the draw because he missed the only decent chance he got. The Pep parrots will say "We must be more clinical." What does that mean? Maybe we should stop fucking about at the back and give Serge the ball a bit quicker. Oh, and Jesus needs a rest. He does Jack Shit where it matters and falls over too easily.

Seems perfectly reasonable summing up with regards to Sane as wb but the rest ?
 
Sat in the family stand, we could see how Sàne was getting targeted by Everton. There were quite a few times that the ball was passed into the space behind him.He didnt seem to want to track back, now I dont know if he didnt understand this or thought it was Ottamendi job being young and brought up as a winger. This dragged Otti out wider and also Kompany after the switch.
Second half Danilo and Sterling were really impressive. Hope that Sàne can recover from this as he can be a world class player as he should last season.
 
We still need YaYa to control the tempo of our game.
Fernandinho can switch into a fullback position if needed but he doesn't come close to YaYa in controlling the tempo of our game.
Vinnie and Otemendi look to be out best centre back pairing.
So stick to that.
442 /451 for me.
 
FWIW (and I doubt anyone will give a toss, but) I just watched the Everton game again.

I have to say we were a lot better in the 2nd half than I had thought at the time through my beer-stained glasses. OK, we were sloppy in parts, but there was much to admire actually and for the 2nd game of the season with new faces yet to gel, there was a lot to be encouraged about. Danilo looks to me like he has a super sharp footballing brain - some of his instinctive touches and quick passes were excellent. And Silva2, what a player he is. All in all a disappointing result but I am feeling very much more positive.

There, I told you no-one would give a toss ;-)
 
Having watched us this season all be it 2 games in, nothing seems to have changed from last, build up play 2 slow, why take 1 pass when we can play 10? Why do we not attack at pace but continue to slowly pass the ball letting the opposition get there shape? We complain about teams parking the bus etc,we complained about that last season, do we expect the opposition to say oh let's play to city's strengths or let's play a game that works? This to me is where Pep the so called genius falls short other managers play to there teams strength pep plays for his philosophy and sorry but if this continues no trophy this season or in the foreseeable in my opinion
 
Agree and lets hope we improve as little seems to have changed since the corresponding fixture last October.
Last year we missed two peno's a litany of chances went behind to their only worthwhile chance and managed to scrabble an equaliser.
This year we had a player sent off, missed a load of chances, went behind to a lone strike on goal and barely managed to scrape an equaliser.

Everton last season was one of the best performances of the season though and should have been a cricket score. Monday won't go down as even a good performance.

Last two seasons our seasons peaked in August. We haven't got going yet. Chelsea started slow last year.
 
If you ignore all the media crap , our team played some great attacking play with ten men for 60 minutes against a team that has just spent £150m to improve their top seven squad , our players showed commitment and great team spirit and could have quite easily beat an alleged decent Everton team and a tactically very astute manager in Koeman. Despite the disappointment of dropping two points it speaks volumes how Pep has got the squad fighting for a place in the side and for the football club , the media can dress it up all they want and promote the "Rooney show" but we took Everton to the cleaners for 60 minutes with ten men , imagine what we would have done to them with a full side .The futures bright and its blue. Apologies for the optimism started early on the Hennessy happy juice.
 
If you ignore all the media crap , our team played some great attacking play with ten men for 60 minutes against a team that has just spent £150m to improve their top seven squad , our players showed commitment and great team spirit and could have quite easily beat an alleged decent Everton team and a tactically very astute manager in Koeman. Despite the disappointment of dropping two points it speaks volumes how Pep has got the squad fighting for a place in the side and for the football club , the media can dress it up all they want and promote the "Rooney show" but we took Everton to the cleaners for 60 minutes with ten men , imagine what we would have done to them with a full side .The futures bright and its blue. Apologies for the optimism started early on the Hennessy happy juice.
Great words but this could easily be copied and pasted from last season, every game we battered teams only to drop points and same shit happening again, possession and pretty passes count for shit, pickford hardly had a save to make in 90 minutes they create 1 chance and score it, sound familiar?
 
Sorry mate, long essay and your opinion but disagree. Got to challenge this season, not for the CL but the PL.

If PEG can turn the Manure shambles around in a season, not that he has yet, why can't the best manager in the world?
Beacause 'The best manager in the world' isn't called God, he's called Pep Guardiola and his club have UEFA/G14 breathing down their necks waiting to pounce. PEG's ambitions and City's are different. PEG just wants more titles on his CV, but City are building a legacy.

Question: Would you rather quick fixes for titles now, or proper fixes for a long term legacy which meant few or no titles for the next 2-3 years?

Dunno about you mate, but I'm looking long term. I'm sick to the fucking back teeth of "Come back when you've got 20 of this and 3 of these'. We need to build a sustainable legacy which is something that both Mancini & Guardiola have pointed out. They've both said that it doesn't matter how much money we throw at our club, it helps, but it's not the be all and end all.

Clubs like ManUre, Real, Barca & Bayern have got decades on us in that respect and both Mancini & Pep have said it takes years to build up that kind of infrastructure and winning mentality from the Tea Lady to the First team & everyone in between. Money alone cannot achieve this, albeit with good management, it can accelerate the process.

We need to plan log term mate, not just for short term glory, hence the average age of the squad has fallen dramatically, not for our players resale value, but to buy top class young players who can grow up with the club, just as the European aristocrats have always done for decades. As it stands, we've only been doing this for the last 6-7 years and have a long way to go yet.
 
Mourinho's approach is different to Pep's in a number of ways. How Pep wants to play, and he was brought here to implement a style of play, is more difficult to implement. Mou and MU may have more success in the short-term but hopefully Pep will create something with long lasting benefits. That doesn't mean we can't or won't be more successful in short-term but it is a higher risk approach. What Pep needs to do is balance what he is trying to achieve in terms of positional play with getting the best out of his existing resources.
Brilliantly summed up.

Our owner his here for the long haul and knows our journey isn't a sprint, it's a marathon. It's all about long term sustainability, not just short term gain.
 
What I saw was the same as last year... Strikers who dont score and that is THE only major problem we have. The tactics, whatever we think, do generate the most number of chances per game. Why we dont score comes down to a psychological problem or mindset or whatever... We have the players, the tactics, everything, except that one thing goals.

We either need Sanchez (And I dont think that's the answer since Jesus seems to be afflicted with the same thing as our other players), or we need a team psychologist to work with them, and concentrate on that situation in front of goal in important games.

Got to say well done to the team for playing the way they did with ten men, they worked so damn hard. Except Sane, wtf Sane
 
Beacause 'The best manager in the world' isn't called God, he's called Pep Guardiola and his club have UEFA/G14 breathing down their necks waiting to pounce. PEG's ambitions and City's are different. PEG just wants more titles on his CV, but City are building a legacy.

Question: Would you rather quick fixes for titles now, or proper fixes for a long term legacy which meant few or no titles for the next 2-3 years?

Dunno about you mate, but I'm looking long term. I'm sick to the fucking back teeth of "Come back when you've got 20 of this and 3 of these'. We need to build a sustainable legacy which is something that both Mancini & Guardiola have pointed out. They've both said that it doesn't matter how much money we throw at our club, it helps, but it's not the be all and end all.

Clubs like ManUre, Real, Barca & Bayern have got decades on us in that respect and both Mancini & Pep have said it takes years to build up that kind of infrastructure and winning mentality from the Tea Lady to the First team & everyone in between. Money alone cannot achieve this, albeit with good management, it can accelerate the process.

We need to plan log term mate, not just for short term glory, hence the average age of the squad has fallen dramatically, not for our players resale value, but to buy top class young players who can grow up with the club, just as the European aristocrats have always done for decades. As it stands, we've only been doing this for the last 6-7 years and have a long way to go yet.

These days, long-term success comes from the clubs philosophy not the manager. None of the top clubs have a manager that's secure in his job for more than a couple of seasons at best.

I honestly think if Pep isn't successful this season he'll walk, don't think it will come from the club. That's why I think it's a defining season.

Anyhow, I'm sure he'll bring success this season so we don't have to worry.
 
Original plan was to sign dani alves walker, mendy and bertrand. It is that dani alves did not sign and the club compromised with signing danilo and playing him as lb and rb. We are gonna sign a left back whether this window or the next. Most probably next. Danilo is not a left back nor fernandinho. Of course they can play there, but playing good is the issue.
You're probably right. I don't think the Alves/Walker thing would have worked. A player of Alves' pedigree would, quite rightly, expect to start all Ch League games and a big chunk of Prem matches. Walker wouldn't come to City to play League Cup and FA Cup games and start a limited number of Prem matches. Walker's here to start the big games and based on his improved form over the last two to three years at Spurs and the start he's made with us, he looks like a player who could be immense for us. I prefer the understudy scenario - i.e. Maffeo.
 
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These days, long-term success comes from the clubs philosophy not the manager. None of the top clubs have a manager that's secure in his job for more than a couple of seasons at best.

I honestly think if Pep isn't successful this season he'll walk, don't think it will come from the club. That's why I think it's a defining season.

Anyhow, I'm sure he'll bring success this season so we don't have to worry.
If we achieve success this season then great, if not, I won't be too disappointed. 2 seasons ago we had success by winning the Capital One Cup, but in the process Pellegrini almost got us relegated from the Champions League! What would you prefer? A Capital One Cup victory here & there, or regular Champions League qualification and us challenging for the PL & CL?

I know what you're likely to say, but how does anyone to expect success just because Pep is our manager & we've spent a wedge? Sustained success takes time and us having a plan, we just have to remain patient and keep faith that the City Football Group know what they're doing.
 
Beacause 'The best manager in the world' isn't called God, he's called Pep Guardiola and his club have UEFA/G14 breathing down their necks waiting to pounce. PEG's ambitions and City's are different. PEG just wants more titles on his CV, but City are building a legacy.

Question: Would you rather quick fixes for titles now, or proper fixes for a long term legacy which meant few or no titles for the next 2-3 years?

Dunno about you mate, but I'm looking long term. I'm sick to the fucking back teeth of "Come back when you've got 20 of this and 3 of these'. We need to build a sustainable legacy which is something that both Mancini & Guardiola have pointed out. They've both said that it doesn't matter how much money we throw at our club, it helps, but it's not the be all and end all.

Clubs like ManUre, Real, Barca & Bayern have got decades on us in that respect and both Mancini & Pep have said it takes years to build up that kind of infrastructure and winning mentality from the Tea Lady to the First team & everyone in between. Money alone cannot achieve this, albeit with good management, it can accelerate the process.

We need to plan log term mate, not just for short term glory, hence the average age of the squad has fallen dramatically, not for our players resale value, but to buy top class young players who can grow up with the club, just as the European aristocrats have always done for decades. As it stands, we've only been doing this for the last 6-7 years and have a long way to go yet.
Very admirable but winning things IS creating legacy.
Yes in the long term I'm sure we will create the legacy you write of, but just look at our squad, look who our manager is. There is no reason why we shouldn't be successful now.
Khaldoon himself said it - he wants success; no texts congratating him on third place.
I thought we showed on Monday that we are ready now. Too many "in the long term" posts appearing, a bit arsenal in nature, but I'm assuming the club want and expect success now and also in the future.
 

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