every match joe messes up

tidyman said:
LoveCity said:
AliWaheed said:
Seriously need to wake up to reality. Theres a reason we lost the title last season and it's the same reason we don't look like winning it this season.
1)Joe Hart
2)Clichy/Kolarov
3)Nastasic
4)Dzeko

All need to go im afraid. Need Johnson back and need to play Milner more in the premiership. Need to play Toure less as he only seems to turn up for big games... which is actually a good thing.

Two points:

1. We had the best defensive record in the entire league with Nastasic at the back. Saying he "has to go" when he's still a kid but recognised as one of the best in his age group is madness.

2. JOHNSON BACK? Not sure if serious or some joke I didn't catch. He's become an atrocious, lazy, unfit player who has been a flop at SUNDERLAND, nevermind City. All he's good for is the last 10 minutes and we could play Navas in that role if we really wanted to.

No ones daft enough to want Adam back.


He means Michael.




Or David.
Actuallly I meant Adam. He saved our skins a few times. Most midfielders we have refuse to take a shot. Willing to concede on that but the defence really must be sorted out FFS!!!!
 
tidyman said:
LoveCity said:
AliWaheed said:
Seriously need to wake up to reality. Theres a reason we lost the title last season and it's the same reason we don't look like winning it this season.
1)Joe Hart
2)Clichy/Kolarov
3)Nastasic
4)Dzeko

All need to go im afraid. Need Johnson back and need to play Milner more in the premiership. Need to play Toure less as he only seems to turn up for big games... which is actually a good thing.

Two points:

1. We had the best defensive record in the entire league with Nastasic at the back. Saying he "has to go" when he's still a kid but recognised as one of the best in his age group is madness.

2. JOHNSON BACK? Not sure if serious or some joke I didn't catch. He's become an atrocious, lazy, unfit player who has been a flop at SUNDERLAND, nevermind City. All he's good for is the last 10 minutes and we could play Navas in that role if we really wanted to.

No ones daft enough to want Adam back.


He means Michael.




Or David.

Or Bobby or even Tommy!
 
AliWaheed said:
Blue Note said:
Joe's having a bad time recently, although he did keep us in it on Wednesday night. But I can't believe the amount of people saying get rid, are you being serious? We can't just get rid of players when they have a bad patch, fair enough maybe drop him and give Pants a go. but Joe is still one of the best goalkeepers in the world and has saved our arses many a time.

Seriously need to wake up to reality. Theres a reason we lost the title last season and it's the same reason we don't look like winning it this season.
1)Joe Hart
2)Clichy/Kolarov
3)Nastasic
4)Dzeko

All need to go im afraid. Need Johnson back and need to play Milner more in the premiership. Need to play Toure less as he only seems to turn up for big games... which is actually a good thing.

If ever I`ve seen a Rag its fucking you !!!
 
AliWaheed said:
tidyman said:
LoveCity said:
Two points:

1. We had the best defensive record in the entire league with Nastasic at the back. Saying he "has to go" when he's still a kid but recognised as one of the best in his age group is madness.

2. JOHNSON BACK? Not sure if serious or some joke I didn't catch. He's become an atrocious, lazy, unfit player who has been a flop at SUNDERLAND, nevermind City. All he's good for is the last 10 minutes and we could play Navas in that role if we really wanted to.

No ones daft enough to want Adam back.


He means Michael.




Or David.
Actuallly I meant Adam. He saved our skins a few times. Most midfielders we have refuse to take a shot. Willing to concede on that but the defence really must be sorted out FFS!!!!

I know who you meant mate.

You are entitled to that opinion. And just because you are in a minority of one, doesn't automatically make you wrong.
 
Not the first time he's rushed out to no purpose. He gets away with it sometimes, but high-risk / low return is just that. The box is not the net. You don't have to jump down every man's throat that smiles wistfully at your other half. At least wait until he's caressing her neck before you wade in.

Nutter.
 
As has already been said, it's not the first time that nearly identical situations happened, but we got away with it. This time Torres got to the ball and Hart was punished, such is the wickedness of chance, but Hart probably had it coming; too often he's been far from convincing in coming out when he doesn't need to, and not coming to claim balls that he should!

I had such great hopes for Hart, and have in the past said he was up there with the best (for a short period, imo, he was the world's most in-form keeper), but now he's begun to seriously get on my nerves. His string of regular mistakes has lasted too long, and I'm fed up. Thinking about how many points have been lost due to his errors makes me genuinely nauseous, so I try not to think about it too much.

Another thing that irks is me is his long passes! Needs to stop hoofing the ball back to the opposition when a short pass is available (and it usually is). Dammit Hart, you don't even have to do Valdez passes but a harmless little short pass will at least help us keep possession. Sure who doesn't like whacking the ball up the pitch and admiring the trajectory of its flight, but kicking the ball to the opposition when a game is tight and they're looking to maximize every possession is stupid and has both directly and indirectly led to goals.

I expected to see an improvement in his distribution by now...after all, he was improving then. I thought now, we'd see the little things (with sometimes big positive effects) you normally do from a top keeper like accurate throws to start attacks, better balance of long/short kicks, but he's stagnated. An incomplete goalkeeper, but usually good shot stopper.

Neuer is only a year older and looks more well-rounded. And it's not a matter of talent as I remember when Neuer looked unpolished. It shows you what hard work and focus gets you as Neuer used to drop clangers and be dodgy on corners and crosses. Now, so dominant and assured.

Hart has always been somewhat untested besides that Birmingham season where he actually had to do work. These last couple years, our defence has been so strong that most of the shots that reach the keeper, are low percentage shots. Hence, the consecutive golden gloves. That title winning season in particular, Hart was damn good, but even then I have to give the defence a lot of credit for those gloves. I suppose if he played for a weaker team defensively, we'd know exactly his true level. Our defence is (or maybe was, atm) so good that many of the leagues lower keepers would have much improved stats and performances playing for us.

Hart is idolised by many because he is our English talisman. Some of his easiest, central saves are talked up, and mistakes brushed aside. I know some won't agree with me, but I try tell it how I see it.
 
seriously , if seeing that hart is not dropped then what else is required to drop him ? , surely pantilimon is better than hart in catching crosses , in set pieces etc. give him a chance till january and try to sign casillas or begovic to join 4 other balkans in the side
 

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