every match joe messes up

[syedorf]

nastys fault for me do anything but head it over your keeper who's called it and out of his box.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Defeats really do attract idiots eh?

Well, you're posting on this subject so I guess the answer is 'Yes'

Joe did make that save at Villa didn't he?
Can we afford to lose another match ?

Joe gutted ? His biggest worry is what colour leather interior to have in his new Range Rover/Merc/Aston Martin and should he buy the latest 82 inch TV or just stick with the home cinema in his mansion

They are pros and get paid big bucks for being at a high level of skill and performance
joe obviously has the talent but he continually falls down on the performance front, Stevie Wonder could see that.
Therefore he is open to honest, accurate criticism

This is a forum, where people can express their opinions, if it isn't what you think that's no reason to call me an idiot

I doubt you'd say that to my face, but we can test that theory if you want to
Not sure who the hell you think you are, but watch your mouth.

Ohhhhhh get you!

I love it when people make veiled threats, they usually retract them after meeting me, but I'm no internet warrior, so I'll leave you to your macho posturing, as foolish as you look doing it pal.

Anyways, don't know quite why you've reacted so badly, that probably says more about you than anything else.

For what it is worth, I believe Hart should have been dropped after the Villa game, he wasn't. Yesterday was Nastasic's fault, not Joes, I was sat in the upper tier and clearly heard Hart call for the ball, Nastasic should have left it alone.

Happy now?

Idiot.

There was no way on earth that was Nastasic's fault yesterday.

Nastasic had it under control until Hart came running out and there was no reason for Hart to come out. Second of all if Hart has decided to come for it then he has got to commit himself and go for the ball not stop half way and then set off again. All he did by doing that is put unnecessary pressure on Nastasic who had his eyes on the ball.

Finally even if Nasty would have left it for Joe, all Hart would have done was put the ball in touch for a Chelsea throw. Which again is piss poor goalkeeping when if he would have properly read the situation he could have claimed the backpass and kept possession.

 

[stonerblue]

But he really didn't need to be anywhere near it did he? Nastasic was always going to win the header.

Nastasic should've done what every kid is taught and that's to get rid before it bounces.

Maybe so and he carries some blame too but Hart was not guilt free in that situation.

I thought Hart made the wrong decision as well but if Nasty had headed it before it bounced Joe wouldn't have even thought about coming for it.<br /><br />-- Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:40 pm --<br /><br />

Well, you're posting on this subject so I guess the answer is 'Yes'

Joe did make that save at Villa didn't he?
Can we afford to lose another match ?

Joe gutted ? His biggest worry is what colour leather interior to have in his new Range Rover/Merc/Aston Martin and should he buy the latest 82 inch TV or just stick with the home cinema in his mansion

They are pros and get paid big bucks for being at a high level of skill and performance
joe obviously has the talent but he continually falls down on the performance front, Stevie Wonder could see that.
Therefore he is open to honest, accurate criticism

This is a forum, where people can express their opinions, if it isn't what you think that's no reason to call me an idiot

I doubt you'd say that to my face, but we can test that theory if you want to
Not sure who the hell you think you are, but watch your mouth.

Ohhhhhh get you!

I love it when people make veiled threats, they usually retract them after meeting me, but I'm no internet warrior, so I'll leave you to your macho posturing, as foolish as you look doing it pal.

Anyways, don't know quite why you've reacted so badly, that probably says more about you than anything else.

For what it is worth, I believe Hart should have been dropped after the Villa game, he wasn't. Yesterday was Nastasic's fault, not Joes, I was sat in the upper tier and clearly heard Hart call for the ball, Nastasic should have left it alone.

Happy now?

Idiot.

There was no way on earth that was Nastasic's fault yesterday.

Nastasic had it under control until Hart came running out and there was no reason for Hart to come out. Second of all if Hart has decided to come for it then he has got to commit himself and go for the ball not stop half way and then set off again. All he did by doing that is put unnecessary pressure on Nastasic who had his eyes on the ball.

Finally even if Nasty would have left it for Joe, all Hart would have done was put the ball in touch for a Chelsea throw. Which again is piss poor goalkeeping when if he would have properly read the situation he could have claimed the backpass and kept possession.

At no point from the ball leaving the Chelsea players foot did Nasty have it under control. He was also unaware of his position and the position of the keeper.

 

[Phil1]

Ohhhhhh get you!

I love it when people make veiled threats, they usually retract them after meeting me, but I'm no internet warrior, so I'll leave you to your macho posturing, as foolish as you look doing it pal.

Anyways, don't know quite why you've reacted so badly, that probably says more about you than anything else.

For what it is worth, I believe Hart should have been dropped after the Villa game, he wasn't. Yesterday was Nastasic's fault, not Joes, I was sat in the upper tier and clearly heard Hart call for the ball, Nastasic should have left it alone.

Happy now?

Idiot.

He shouted when Nasty was already in the process of heading it back to him, or at least at a point when he was too committed to change his mind. He shouldn't have been anywhere near the edge of the box, he should have been screaming to Nasty when the ball was in the air, telling him to cushion it back. He was in the best possible position to see the danger, from the moment the hopeful punt was in the air he should have taken charge. That's what the best keepers do, they take the pressure off their back four. Yesterday Hart failed on that count big time.

He shouted way before Nastasic was up for the header.

I think he should have done what any top goalkeeper would have done and that was to take charge from the moment the ball was in the air. He had the best possible view of the situation yet he came, stopped, hesitated, came again and shouted late whilst leaving Nasty with nowhere to go.
There was plenty of time to assess the danger yet he failed to communicate until it was too late.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Nastasic should've done what every kid is taught and that's to get rid before it bounces.

Maybe so and he carries some blame too but Hart was not guilt free in that situation.

I thought Hart made the wrong decision as well but if Nasty had headed it before it bounced Joe wouldn't have even thought about coming for it.

-- Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:40 pm --

Ohhhhhh get you!

I love it when people make veiled threats, they usually retract them after meeting me, but I'm no internet warrior, so I'll leave you to your macho posturing, as foolish as you look doing it pal.

Anyways, don't know quite why you've reacted so badly, that probably says more about you than anything else.

For what it is worth, I believe Hart should have been dropped after the Villa game, he wasn't. Yesterday was Nastasic's fault, not Joes, I was sat in the upper tier and clearly heard Hart call for the ball, Nastasic should have left it alone.

Happy now?

Idiot.

There was no way on earth that was Nastasic's fault yesterday.

Nastasic had it under control until Hart came running out and there was no reason for Hart to come out. Second of all if Hart has decided to come for it then he has got to commit himself and go for the ball not stop half way and then set off again. All he did by doing that is put unnecessary pressure on Nastasic who had his eyes on the ball.

Finally even if Nasty would have left it for Joe, all Hart would have done was put the ball in touch for a Chelsea throw. Which again is piss poor goalkeeping when if he would have properly read the situation he could have claimed the backpass and kept possession.

At no point from the ball leaving the Chelsea players foot did Nasty have it under control. He was also unaware of his position and the position of the keeper.

Do you honestly think that Torres was going to win that ball if Hart would have stayed in his area? Nastasic was easily 80/20 favourite to win that header. The only thing Nastasic can slightly be blamed for is heading it so close to the goal but Hart's rash judgement and indecisiveness was to blame for Chelsea's goal.

 

[stonerblue]

Maybe so and he carries some blame too but Hart was not guilt free in that situation.

I thought Hart made the wrong decision as well but if Nasty had headed it before it bounced Joe wouldn't have even thought about coming for it.

-- Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:40 pm --

There was no way on earth that was Nastasic's fault yesterday.

Nastasic had it under control until Hart came running out and there was no reason for Hart to come out. Second of all if Hart has decided to come for it then he has got to commit himself and go for the ball not stop half way and then set off again. All he did by doing that is put unnecessary pressure on Nastasic who had his eyes on the ball.

Finally even if Nasty would have left it for Joe, all Hart would have done was put the ball in touch for a Chelsea throw. Which again is piss poor goalkeeping when if he would have properly read the situation he could have claimed the backpass and kept possession.

At no point from the ball leaving the Chelsea players foot did Nasty have it under control. He was also unaware of his position and the position of the keeper.

Do you honestly think that Torres was going to win that ball if Hart would have stayed in his area? Nastasic was easily 80/20 favourite to win that header. The only thing Nastasic can slightly be blamed for is heading it so close to the goal but Hart's rash judgement and indecisiveness was to blame for Chelsea's goal.

rule number one. DO NOT LET THE BALL BOUNCE
rule number two NEVER AIM A BACKPASS ON TARGET

 

[Phil1]

I thought Hart made the wrong decision as well but if Nasty had headed it before it bounced Joe wouldn't have even thought about coming for it.

-- Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:40 pm --



At no point from the ball leaving the Chelsea players foot did Nasty have it under control. He was also unaware of his position and the position of the keeper.

Do you honestly think that Torres was going to win that ball if Hart would have stayed in his area? Nastasic was easily 80/20 favourite to win that header. The only thing Nastasic can slightly be blamed for is heading it so close to the goal but Hart's rash judgement and indecisiveness was to blame for Chelsea's goal.

rule number one. DO NOT LET THE BALL BOUNCE
rule number two NEVER AIM A BACKPASS ON TARGET

Rule number one would be apt if Nasty had been under pressure from the original ball. As it was he knew he could allow it to bounce and still cushion it to his keeper, allowing us to retain the ball and not put us under unnecessary pressure.
Rule number two was adhered to, his header was going wide. If there was something to dig him out for then maybe he should have put more power on it meaning Torres couldn't catch up and conceding a corner.
Non of that would be relevant if Hart had taken control from the off.

 

[spacecadet]

Don't know whether this has been mentioned further up this thread but it reminded me so much of the Dec 76 Dave Watson- big Joe error v Liverpool that cost us the title that season :(

 

[cockneycarparkm32]

Do you honestly think that Torres was going to win that ball if Hart would have stayed in his area? Nastasic was easily 80/20 favourite to win that header. The only thing Nastasic can slightly be blamed for is heading it so close to the goal but Hart's rash judgement and indecisiveness was to blame for Chelsea's goal.

rule number one. DO NOT LET THE BALL BOUNCE
rule number two NEVER AIM A BACKPASS ON TARGET

Rule number one would be apt if Nasty had been under pressure from the original ball. As it was he knew he could allow it to bounce and still cushion it to his keeper, allowing us to retain the ball and not put us under unnecessary pressure.
Rule number two was adhered to, his header was going wide. If there was something to dig him out for then maybe he should have put more power on it meaning Torres couldn't catch up and conceding a corner.
Non of that would be relevant if Hart had taken control from the off.

Rule No.1 as a keeper , YOU CAN USE YOUR HANDS , BUT FIRST USE YOUR HEAD ! ;) Its over , I`m of for a nice J and a glass of red I have seen plenty worse and no doubt will see as bad in the future ,

 

[Bill]

Don't know whether this has been mentioned further up this thread but it reminded me so much of the Dec 76 Dave Watson- big Joe error v Liverpool that cost us the title that season :(

Thought it was gary owen.