Explosion at MEN Arena/Victoria Station

[Xiphos]

Your losing it mate.

Really

 

[Blue warrior]

Sky news just saying they think special forces were involved not confirmed

 

[tshirtman]

Yes but who would be stupid enough to believe those reports?

You should watch todays edition of Daily Politics, I caught half hour of it and Andrew Neil was doing his best to paint south Manchester as a hotbed of islamist radicals, apparently the Didsbury mosque has strong links to LIFG (Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) and ISIS flags are common.
I've never seen these flags but I've only lived down here for 17 years.

 

[Chippy_boy]

He maybe suggesting revenge for acts committed 4 months ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mbers-strike-islamic-state-fighters-in-libya/

The debate was about religious motivation though. I get "revenge attack" as a motive, but we didn't do whatever we did 4 months ago as an act of religion, did we. (Haven't time to read the link, I'm afraid - off out now.)

 

[chedlee]

What a complete load of twaddle.

But cutting though all the lefty political nonsense, how on earth does us not attacking anyone in the name of Christianity, *motivate* people to attack us? Are you suggesting we should be having more crusades like we did in 1095? Would that help?

'Twaddle' 'lefty political nonsense' - I'll pass thanks, you sound like you know all you need to.

 

[cucumberman]

You are of course aware of how ridiculous this post is given that Jerusalem was taken by force in the Muslim conquests some 400 years earlier!

Now if only i could find a suitable picture.

I think this offshoot discussions can be posted in a separate thread, like the one made recently.

I would request the mods on having this thread solely on the topic and the development of it such as the raids and intel.

 

[cibaman]

I think we really do need to move away from the idea that you're a massive lefty or part of the PC brigade if you don't subscribe to the idea that anyone being under suspicion of being an ISIS sympathiser should be locked up indefinitely. It's more a case of wanting a course of action that actually works. I really couldn't care less what happens to any individual that supports the mass slaughter of innocent people and I really wouldn't lose sleep over the idea of somebody that supports ISIS or their viewpoint being locked up in a prison for the rest of their lives. The problem I have is that I don't think it would work and it would actually lead to further radicalisation of more people, something I think we all agree should be avoided. I think that in the vast majority of cases it would be nigh on impossible to identify who an actual supporter of ISIS is and innocent people would end up in prison. Now some people think a few innocents being locked up is an acceptable level of collateral damage if it prevents further atrocities (I agree, it probably would be the lesser of two evils). The problem is if you think locking up innocent people plays into the hands of terrorists and would lead to further radicalisation, then it doesn't make you a bleeding heart liberal to be against what he's suggesting, it's just common sense.

I agree. I don't think internment in Northern Ireland was a huge success and this would have to be on a much greater scale.

 

[johnny on the spot]

BBC 5Live have just been evacuated on air and are playing a continuity broadcast.

 

[Robanompivenov]

I think we really do need to move away from the idea that you're a massive lefty or part of the PC brigade if you don't subscribe to the idea that anyone being under suspicion of being an ISIS sympathiser should be locked up indefinitely. It's more a case of wanting a course of action that actually works. I really couldn't care less what happens to any individual that supports the mass slaughter of innocent people and I really wouldn't lose sleep over the idea of somebody that supports ISIS or their viewpoint being locked up in a prison for the rest of their lives. The problem I have is that I don't think it would work and it would actually lead to further radicalisation of more people, something I think we all agree should be avoided. I think that in the vast majority of cases it would be nigh on impossible to identify who an actual supporter of ISIS is and innocent people would end up in prison. Now some people think a few innocents being locked up is an acceptable level of collateral damage if it prevents further atrocities (I agree, it probably would be the lesser of two evils). The problem is if you think locking up innocent people plays into the hands of terrorists and would lead to further radicalisation, then it doesn't make you a bleeding heart liberal to be against what he's suggesting, it's just common sense.

Brilliant post.

 

[SambrookMCFC]

This was a horrible act of violence, which I'm sure no single religion would advocate.

I personally have been impacted by this as my wife and 12 year old daughter were there, they were in the line to walk out the exit near to the where the bomb went off and that would have been their route out. We are extremely thankful that they got home safely but the impact this has had on our family is there. My daughter has barely spoken or eaten for 2 days, my wife is in constant tears. This will take time for us to heal from this and we have to keep reminding ourselves how lucky we have been. The images and sounds which have been imprinted on both will remain with them for a long time.

We are truly heartbroken by the experience but totally fail to comprehend what the people who have lost loved ones are currently feeling.

The question is always Why? these fuckers have death too easy. Don't even think these are religious fanatics. I have Muslim friends and they all condemn the behaviour of these.

I just hope the Governments of the world could do something different, but nobody knows what.

All I can say is - I love my family to bits but I also take them for granted. These last few days has reinforced my feelings and the extra hug or kiss doesn't hurt nobody.

Your Wife & Daughter along with the thousands of other innocent people are in my thoughts and should be at the forefront of everyone's minds and not this loser or any other loser that associates with these scum.

I hope your wife and especially daughter move on positively from there experiences and prosper in our beautiful city.