Explosion at MEN Arena/Victoria Station

[domalino]

Sky news just saying they think special forces were involved not confirmed

Involved in what?

 

[SilverFox2]

If you believe the reports, the black ISIS flag flying in his garden should've been a big clue.

I remember the days in NI where complete villages and small towns either were forced or chose to fly black flags. Many obviously had the Irish Republican flag as well but the black flag signified a different level of allegiance.

 

[blueinsa]

Involved in what?

Raid on Granby Row in town mate.

They where also involved in the raids yesterday but you would never know.

 

[Blue warrior]

Involved in what?

The raid in town

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I think this offshoot discussions can be posted in a separate thread, like the one made recently.

I would request the mods on having this thread solely on the topic and the development of it such as the raids and intel.

Why? Because it offends your religious beliefs?
It's history. And it was a post to rebalance the idea that Christianity's past is an excuse for Islam's present.

 

[Damocles]

Looks like Dam is having a difficult day, Monday night has come as a blow to his mindset, he MIGHT be coming to slowly realise that people of the 99.99% faith want to massacre us without thought or pity, mind it will be a passing phase and come anytime soon he will be back to normal, ie, deluded

Yeah maybe. Or maybe I'm just not scared of brown people or people who chant Arabic enough to throw a thousand years of hard fought liberties away for them.

What a waste of a wheelchair.

Seriously though, I'm interested to hear your views. You obviously don't agree with my views of locking known extremists up, it is far fetched and it won't happen, I know that. But am I wrong to want that? If someone is known to the intelligence services and are making frequent trips to these war torn countries, should they be allowed to walk our streets? They ain't going there to sit on a beach for a week and drink bottles of San Miguel.

That's the point, there's more complexity to that than this.

An aid worker who is visiting Syria ten times a month has a great reason to go there, are you locking them up? Obviously not. They're there to help.

What about a person who has family over there and wants to visit their parents, are you locking them up? Probably not. It's not their fault their Mum can't get a visa here.

So what threat level do you have to reach to be locked up? Unfortunately the answer to this is, very rarely, the type of threat level that the intelligence services won't get to. Let's be realistic here - as much as it hurts to hear today the UK intelligence agencies are doing a phenomenal job against Islamic terrorism in the UK. We'd had 2 major planned attacks and several one off incidents in almost TWENTY YEARS of fighting radical Islam. That's an incredible record considering the threats abroad and within, and as sad as we feel today we shouldn't throw away years of steady defence from the barbarians at the gates because one found an open window.

Bring this out of philosophy and into reality. What specifically should the law say? you can't lock people up based on whims, this isn't how our society works.

The amount of people known to the intelligence services is in the tens of thousands if not hundreds. I'm pretty sure I'M known to the intelligence services due to a background in computer security penetration many years ago. Keeping track of everybody's movements constantly is not only illegal it's logistically impossible.

 

[cucumberman]

Why? Because it offends your religious beliefs?
It's history. And it was a post to rebalance the idea that Christianity's past is an excuse for Islam's present.

It doesn't offend me at all. Because it detracts from the thread. There is a separate thread that is more appropriate talking about religion.

I don't see the point of arguing about the history of religion in a thread about a developing story on this tragedy. Of missing people, raiding accomplices, new evidence. These are more important, than the intangible topic that has been argued to death in several previous threads.

 

[Metal Biker]

I think the forum needs a "post Manchester attack discussion" thread now, to be honest.

Although i'd hate to be the one having to moderate it...

 

[cucumberman]

The building is Granby House, not granby row but is next to Granby Row. Granby House is closer to Princess Street

 

[Gelsons Dad]

It doesn't offend me at all. Because it detracts from the thread. There is a separate thread that is more appropriate talking about religion.

I don't see the point of arguing about the history of religion in a thread about a developing story on this tragedy. Of missing people, raiding accomplices, new evidence. These are more important, than the intangible topic that has been argued to death in several previous threads.

And I'm sure if the mods agree they will remove both the original picture and my response.