F.A.O The 'Bellamy, Bellamy, Bellamy' Crowd

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Tolm, you are wrong about Reid and Ellis.

The fans didn't like Ellis as he was perceived to be a long ball merchant. Reid was popular. We were a few games into the season and Swales appointed John Maddock as "general manager". He promply sacked Reid.

The fans were not happy and that's when The Swales Out campaign escalated to the point where Lee arrived.

No mate, you are at mistaken.

Reid was told he could keep his job, if he got rid of Ellis.

He wouldn't and resigned as a matter of principle. The accusations from the terraces were that Reid allowed Ellis too much imput into the team.

John Maddock is an axe man wherever he has been, but he was only brought in after Reid made his stand.

It was also him who sourced Brian 'Who' Horton.

 

[flb]

I honestly don't think anyone is disagreeing with you on that point mate.

Fair enough. But as an elaboration on the point, we can't say as Dave says, how important we are and have been as fans of this great club.

And on the flip side, completely dismiss any impact our actions may have on decisions and the team.

For what it's worth, a significant clutch appear to have downed tools.

This is what will sound the death knell.

I take great offence against players who don't leave their shit at the door for 90 minutes.

As long as the players feel they have the fans backing then Mancini might aswell jack it in.


What a sorry state of affairs.

 

[blueinsa]

I honestly don't think anyone is disagreeing with you on that point mate.

Fair enough. But as an elaboration on the point, we can't say as Dave says, how important we are and have been as fans of this great club.

And on the flip side, completely dismiss any impact our actions may have on decisions and the team.

For what it's worth, a significant clutch appear to have downed tools.

This is what will sound the death knell.

I take great offence against players who don't leave their shit at the door for 90 minutes.

In that case, the club should name and shame them bud, even if it means a shit season!

I'm unconvinced by Bobby but players behaving like twats is a big no-no.

If Bobby does lose his job because of player power then as a club, we should make sure that those players never ever kick a ball for us again, regardless of the impact on this season.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

For what it's worth, a significant clutch appear to have downed tools.

This is what will sound the death knell.

If that's the case then again, the buck stops in one place.<br /><br />-- Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:23 pm --<br /><br />

Tolm, you are wrong about Reid and Ellis.

The fans didn't like Ellis as he was perceived to be a long ball merchant. Reid was popular. We were a few games into the season and Swales appointed John Maddock as "general manager". He promply sacked Reid.

The fans were not happy and that's when The Swales Out campaign escalated to the point where Lee arrived.

No mate, you are at mistaken.

Reid was told he could keep his job, if he got rid of Ellis.

He wouldn't and resigned as a matter of principle. The accusations from the terraces were that Reid allowed Ellis too much imput into the team.

John Maddock is an axe man wherever he has been, but he was only brought in after Reid made his stand.

It was also him who sourced Brian 'Who' Horton.

That's how I remember it. But ultimately Maddock fired Reid. He didn't resign.

 

[blueinsa]

For what it's worth, a significant clutch appear to have downed tools.

This is what will sound the death knell.

If that's the case then again, the buck stops in one place.

I will disagree with you here Dave.

As highly paid professional footballers they have a duty to perform, end of despite any grievances they might feel they have. To down tools is fucking cowardly in my book and in any other walk of life you would be out on your arse.

The blame should lie at the very top. We all know Mourinho was the man they wanted and we all know it was common knowledge that Bobby was a temporary appointment. He has been undermined from minute one.

The above goes beyond any arguments over his tactics imo.

 

[Soulboy]

If fans got rid of Swales, he'd have gone five years earlier than he finally did.

He left because he got the right deal. That's all. The fans never got him out, and we never put Franny in charge. The business deals did that. Like at any other takeover in any other football club.

How did the fans get rid of Reid and Ellis? No one from the club asked my opinion. I actually thought it was a stupid decision at the time and didn't support it. No mates of mine at the time thought Reid should have been sacked... so how did "we" get him the sack!?

It was a decision by the Chairman and his board... just as it has been for EVERY appointment or sacking in my lifetime.

Rather than blame City fans for the upheavals over the years, the board should get down on their bended knees and thank them for being so fucking patient throughout all their inadequacies and failings.

If Mancini does go, it will have nothing to do with the fans... it will be done by the board. Nothing will be any different with Mancini as it has been with every manager in the history of the club.

It really is the last resort when its the fans that get blamed for the activities of the club. Always remember "the fish stinks from the head"...can you imagine any other commercial organisation blaming the customers for being unhappy with their product?

The years seem to have clouded your memories?

Francis Lee announced his intentions to the Daily Mirror.

The fans started the Forward with Franny campaign.

You might not recall City fans visiting Swales at hospital.

We were played. Promised a brighter future, when it got worse than ever.

Swales did not sell because he got the right deal, he went because he had no other options.

He hung out and settled for a pittance.

John Dunklerley and Colin Barlow, took the financial piss.

As for Reid, again you are incorrect. The league position was not the issue, it was the style of football (sound familiar?)

Peter Reid was accused of listening too much to Sam Elliis. Swales attempted to get Reid to sack him, he refused, and walked.

How many people would have kept with Reid if they knew what the next 15 years would bring?

The debate has been sidetracked. I will say it again, the fans who sang for Bellamy were out of order.

Far from my memory being clouded I remember those days very clearly.

I was closely involved in the Franny In campaign, and it was after that that I realised fans were just treated as mugs by the owners, whoever they were.

But the fans pressure did NOT move Swales. He could have sat it out, like he had done for the previous 5 years.

I'm not sure where your... "they visited Swales at the hospital story" comes from... but I remember the press making up a story about City fans visiting his mother. No one visited Swales mother at the hospital. It was a story put about by the press at the time. There was never any evidence of it.

And how did the fans sack Reid? They quite simply didn't. The chairman did. It was HIS choice. Not mine, not any City fan that I know of.

I fail to see what Reid's style of play has to do with your argument... not a single fan had any input into his dismissal. The Chairman (and John Maddocks) made that decision.

Maybe it's your memory that is clouded as after the sacking of Reid, the campaign to remove the Chairman went into full swing. Did you not remember that? Because why would the fans "sack" Reid... and then start up a campaign to remove the Chairman who did it!

I thkink you are confusing "pressure and influence" from the fans... and the "power" that a Chairman has. The two are different things. We never had the power to remove managers and you do the fans a disservice by suggesting we are to blame for the inadequacies of our owners over the years.

 

[tonea2003]

who downed tools then?
i don't see any lack of effort just the system shackling the players.
mancini must be confident in the back 5 now to start "going for it" at home

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Fair enough. But as an elaboration on the point, we can't say as Dave says, how important we are and have been as fans of this great club.

And on the flip side, completely dismiss any impact our actions may have on decisions and the team.

For what it's worth, a significant clutch appear to have downed tools.

This is what will sound the death knell.

I take great offence against players who don't leave their shit at the door for 90 minutes.

You said we will never be successful because of our fans. That's what you're being taken to task about, Tolm.

You are wrongly attempting to take me to task, over 'our fans' instead of 'those' fans who shouted Bellamy.

We won't be successful, ever, until the management and fans are in complete unison.

Back to the mentality thing which is often mentioned.

 

[lee-mcfc]

*Bellamy, Bellamy*[bigimg]http://www.techsurvivors.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/cheer2.gif[/bigimg]

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

For what it's worth, a significant clutch appear to have downed tools.

This is what will sound the death knell.

If that's the case then again, the buck stops in one place.

-- Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:23 pm --

No mate, you are at mistaken.

Reid was told he could keep his job, if he got rid of Ellis.

He wouldn't and resigned as a matter of principle. The accusations from the terraces were that Reid allowed Ellis too much imput into the team.

John Maddock is an axe man wherever he has been, but he was only brought in after Reid made his stand.

It was also him who sourced Brian 'Who' Horton.

That's how I remember it. But ultimately Maddock fired Reid. He didn't resign.

Swales only brought in Maddock to twist the knife AFTER Reid had made it clear he would rather resign than sack Ellis.