FC united of Bury moving on my doorstep...... :(

[Soulboy]

Oh my God!

You seriously believe you somehow have the moral high ground just because you support a pub team!

What about Rochdale fans? Or Latics fans?

Can't they claim even higher moral ground than you... simply because of the fact that they didn't dump their club just so they can look cool to their mates!"

You're all just rags. The only difference is that the ones who stayed at Old Trafford support just the one club... while you bunch of Judases pick and choose which team to support as the occasion suits...

And as for the "antipathy" of what a Premiership club is all about... do me a favour!

You have a bigger commercial set up than some Championship clubs. You sold out your "principles" when you changed kick off times and took the TV money... just like your "big" team does.

You have a club that is ten times bigger than any other in the leagues you have been playing in, and most of your "followers" are grizzled old survivors from Doc's Red Army days. This is a club that is all about ego.

Oh, and it's "have" not "of". I'm surprised someone who can spell antipathy can't spell have...

I thought cup games get moved about unlike league games.

Eh?

League games don't get moved about for TV?

Are you speaking from a time machine in 1965 by any chance?

 

[sirtaki]

I thought cup games get moved about unlike league games.

Eh?

League games don't get moved about for TV?

Are you speaking from a time machine in 1965 by any chance?

You quoted a cup game that FCUM moved dates for, but they never change league games dates, that's what I meant.

 

[Soulboy]

Eh?

League games don't get moved about for TV?

Are you speaking from a time machine in 1965 by any chance?

You quoted a cup game that FCUM moved dates for, but they never change league games dates, that's what I meant.

They changed Cup dates because they were offered money.

That's all.

Or do principles only apply for their league games and Cup games don't count!

To be fair, that is probably an accurate reflection of FCUMs principles!

 

[sirtaki]

You quoted a cup game that FCUM moved dates for, but they never change league games dates, that's what I meant.

They changed Cup dates because they were offered money.

That's all.

Or do principles only apply for their league games and Cup games don't count!

To be fair, that is probably an accurate reflection of FCUMs principles!

It was a FA cup game, 2 teams playing, they could have said no, and dropped out of the cup, I believe that one one of the options they thought about.

But like I said, cup games get moved.

 

[Tueartsoverhead kick]

Some people think I may be nuts to come on here, but I'll offer to clear up a few misconceptions...

Whilst Ten Acres Lane has been deemed financially unviable by the council, MCC had already committed funding to Ronald Johnson for an alternative project long before the government directed cuts. The council wants FCUM and its community programme in Manchester, which is why it is planning to help with the Moston site. £750k hasn't suddenly been found, it had already been allocated, and not initially for FCUM's benefit.

The council has given the club an agreement that they will support FCUM. The council cannot guarantee planning permission for the development as this is a statutory process beyond their control. However, just as at Ten Acres Lane FCUM will look to work closely with the residents in the new area to consult them about the plans, develop facilities for their benefit and hopefully bring them on board. Consultation is both a statutory requirement and something the club want to do in a meaningful way.

Residents may campaign against building on the alternative site, although that in itself doesn’t automatically mean the club wouldn’t get planning permission. The club do of course want residents to want the club there and will work with them to get their support and consult them. The club constitution binds them to delivering benefit to local communities, and showing how they will do this will help ensure residents are onside.

Personally speaking, I think the whole project would benefit the area on a number of levels, not least community engagement, regeneration and employment. Yep, we're red, and that'll grate with many on here, but we think this is a positive move by the council and the club for the area, and believe that the fact we are 'rags' shouldn't be an obstacle in a scheme that will be of long term benefit to the community.

I'm sure I'll get a proper slagging for even daring to look, let alone contribute to this forum, but as your discussion shows up fairly high on search engine rankings, I come in peace and thought I'd address some of your issues. I don't expect you to roll out the welcome mat, but there you have it, any questions you want answering, I'll give it a go...

Peace and love...

An FCUM fan, Burnage.

If it such the utopia you claim it will be, get the stadium built in Burnage then!

There simply isnt the room, with the park in the middle of two roads with no parking. Lightbowne Road is very busy also on City's matchdays, so add another thousand cars into the process and the roads will be a nightmare.

Monsall Hospital site would be the best bet - not in a residential area, 5 minutes walk from a new tram stop and plenty of room for cars too.
Keep Moston Green

-- Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:52 pm --

I wonder if mad eyed has had any replies to his email he sent to the local councillors ? No doubt there keeping there heads down seeing it's close to the local elections I think this would be a great opportunity for the green party to run with this issue !

Yes!! Just got back form work....
Cllr Murphy emailed first thing this morning:
Thanks for your mail. You are correct that this is still a proposal. Until
we see concrete proposals we cannot comment. I hold the view that the
covenant must be honoured and that scheme should benefit all of Moston's
people including youngsters who in the middle of winter change in a car on
Lightbowne Road and go home full of dirt to shower. They are important to
and they don't have a vote
Regards
Paul

And this just in from Cllr Cooper:
When we know more, we will let the public know

So both completely ignore the question...... the topic is simple..... are you in favour of concreting over green space in Moston or are you not. It's not like the choice is FCUM or a factory or a bus depot..... it's concrete or grass.....

Is it too late to put someone up as a Keep Moston Green candidate in next months elections?

-- Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:20 pm --

Just fired this email off to the three councillors and Richard Leese as Cllr Murphy cc'd me into his reply

Cllr Murphy
Thanks for the reply -
Whilst I appreciate you say you cannot make any comment until you see concrete (rather ironic use of the word there!) proposals, I still feel you will have already made your mind up about this issue.
The topic isn't ''OK, do we go for FCUM, a factory or a bus depot on the site?''
The topic is do you wish to see a concrete covering of grassed area and a football stadium and car park built at the site - or do you wish to keep a green and open space in a built up residential area for people to enjoy for years to come?

Thanks
Mad Eyed Screamer ;)

While I agree with the councillor about building some changing rooms it's a whole different ball game in building a stadium, when the kids are playing football on there I still have free access to walk round with the dog and watch a bit of football ! But if a stadium is built then that access and the playing field will have gone forever !

 

[manclad]

Is there any argument to say that gripes amongst locals would be counterbalanced by an upturn in local economy on matchdays?

It would be ironic to think that the nearest pub to the proposed stadium site is/was the Lightbowne.Which after being unused and almost derelict for the last few years is now being demolished.
And the other local pubs have also shut i.e. The Museum,The Ben Brierley,and my former local The Thatched House. All of these hosteleries could have benefitted from 2/3,000 thirsty football fans coming to Moston every other weekend.
I,m sure the owners of The Bluebell and The Deanway are rubbing their hands in anticipation of making a nice little earner every fortnight.

 

[orangupingu_mcfc]

Is there any argument to say that gripes amongst locals would be counterbalanced by an upturn in local economy on matchdays?

It would be ironic to think that the nearest pub to the proposed stadium site is/was the Lightbowne.Which after being unused and almost derelict for the last few years is now being demolished.
And the other local pubs have also shut i.e. The Museum,The Ben Brierley,and my former local The Thatched House. All of these hosteleries could have benefitted from 2/3,000 thirsty football fans coming to Moston every other weekend.
I,m sure the owners of The Bluebell and The Deanway are rubbing their hands in anticipation of making a nice little earner every fortnight.

The nearest pub is the Dean Brook Inn on St Marys Rd.

Is it worth getting rid of that park just to benefit two pubs and a handful of relevant shops in the local area?

 

[sirtaki]

The nearest pub is the Dean Brook Inn on St Marys Rd.

Is it worth getting rid of that park just to benefit two pubs and a handful of relevant shops in the local area?

I can't understand why Ten acres lane site was dismissed,it's got a sports complex in situe with a full size football pitch, they are offering more money to build on this new site and it's destroying a park area, is all about lining pockets?

 

[lloydie]

Had they a true and honest interest in Non-league football they would have gone and watched one of the many clubs in the area that could have done with their support. They have used their financial muscle to the detriment of those clubs, many with long and proud histories. I've spoken to quite a few fans of other NL clubs they've visited and to a man they despise FCUM and their fans. Whereas most fans will treat an awayday to another NL club as an opportunity to make friends, FCUM always leave a nasty smell. To say they have no ambition beyond Non-league would be a downright lie. I'm unaware that they had any defined community locality for which they provide community work and suspect any they do will have been done for opportunistic reasons, opportunistic is their DNA. They are the bastard offspring spawn of a despicable behemoth and no public money should be granted to a private members club for dickheads.

 

[WNRH]

"Won't pay glazer or work for Sky"

but give us £67,000 and you can put us on Babestation for all we care, fuck our morals and one of the main reasons we were formed.

 

[sirtaki]

Had they a true and honest interest in Non-league football they would have gone and watched one of the many clubs in the area that could have done with their support. They have used their financial muscle to the detriment of those clubs, many with long and proud histories. I've spoken to quite a few fans of other NL clubs they've visited and to a man they despise FCUM and their fans. Whereas most fans will treat an awayday to another NL club as an opportunity to make friends, FCUM always leave a nasty smell. To say they have no ambition beyond Non-league would be a downright lie. I'm unaware that they had any defined community locality for which they provide community work and suspect any they do will have been done for opportunistic reasons, opportunistic is their DNA. They are the bastard offspring spawn of a despicable behemoth and no public money should be granted to a private members club for dickheads.

So you are saying, no new clubs ever, let things stagnate?....... some in the lower leagues say FCUM are a breath of fresh air, much needed publicity and money for the non Arab league.

-- Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:43 pm --

"Won't pay glazer or work for Sky"

but give us £67,000 and you can put us on Babestation for all we care, fuck our morals and one of the main reasons we were formed.

I thought It was an non sky cup game, never mind, just make things up eh.

Read back please.

 

[kismet]

well said Soulboy

This is a green belt area with better options elsewhere.........

 

[blueinsa]

So you are saying, no new clubs ever, let things stagnate?....... some in the lower leagues say FCUM are a breath of fresh air, much needed publicity and money for the non Arab league.

What a fucking cretinous post!

 

[Soulboy]

So you are saying, no new clubs ever, let things stagnate?....... some in the lower leagues say FCUM are a breath of fresh air, much needed publicity and money for the non Arab league.

What a fucking cretinous post!

It just shows them up for what they really are.. deeply bitter, angry people who have an almost obsessive hatred for City, while all the time supporting two clubs to make sure their obsession about City is spread into non-league football as well.

They are the most mixed up bunch of fans I have ever encountered, they can't make up their minds about who and what they are... they have but one common factor... this obsession about City.

I never thought I would stumble upon a bigger bunch of hypocrites than the rags, but this lot win hands down!

One love? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

[kismet]

why the reference to the non Arab league........not needed really

 

[blueinsa]

What a fucking cretinous post!

It just shows them up for what they really are.. deeply bitter, angry people who have an almost obsessive hatred for City, while all the time supporting two clubs to make sure their obsession about City is spread into non-league football as well.

They are the most mixed up bunch of fans I have ever encountered, they can't make up their minds about who and what they are... they have but one common factor... this obsession about City.

I never thought I would stumble upon a bigger bunch of hypocrites than the rags, but this lot win hands down!

One love? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Plastic armchair fans attracted to the "my gang is bigger and better than your gang" mentality who spend years protesting their "one love" only to fucking ditch it at the first sign of trouble and prove to the world just how fucking plastic they all are.

I wonder how many of the cunts will be at Wembley cheering on the very thing they pretend to despise?

Not the fucking brightest bunch are they pmsl

 

[M72]

I suppose I shouldn't have expected the whole thread to trundle along without a bit of a slagging, after all, I always knew I'd be fighting a losing battle... I've addressed our reasoning behind the ground build and the effect on the community, and after having been to a meeting regarding the ground last night, I can only emphasise the fact that the local community will be consulted almost immediately and along every step of the process.

The whole anti-red thing I'll leave alone, it's been done to death. It'd also be a waste of my time defending our whole reasoning to setting up a club and the question of our loyalties, we have enough on our plate with certain sections of MUFC's support giving us that. But anyhow, I thought I'd address the misconceptions surrounding the club and formation that have been brought up.

Had they a true and honest interest in Non-league football they would have gone and watched one of the many clubs in the area that could have done with their support.

Why would we do that? As an example, Leigh (RMI at the time) approached us at the time of our formation and offered a joint solution (team and ground). This was rejected as we are plain and simple, United fans. And ask Leigh (Genesis as they are now) about our decision, they've no problem at all with it. Could we suddenly become Altrincham, Curzon or Droylsden fans? Could you? And more to the point how would they feel about a shedload of United fans turning up, wearing United scarfs, singing United songs? Not well methinks...

They have used their financial muscle to the detriment of those clubs, many with long and proud histories.

What financial muscle? Categorically we are in the bottom four of the NPL when it comes to 'wages'. We have seven players on contract. The rest play for nominal expenses. Whatever we earn on a gate goes mostly to Bury for ground hire. We have two paid employees, the rest are volunteers. Not sure how this would be of detriment anyway. How does 1,000 paying customers turning up to a ground where the average is 150 harm a club? And how that affects their proud histories, you've lost me....

I've spoken to quite a few fans of other NL clubs they've visited and to a man they despise FCUM and their fans. Whereas most fans will treat an awayday to another NL club as an opportunity to make friends, FCUM always leave a nasty smell.

If you can prove that, I'll be mightily impressed. It would be easy to list off the chairmen and fans of clubs such as Norton & Stockton, Holker, Bridlington, Kendal ad infinitum who have praised and thanked our support. I'll address the one issue against us whereby Altrincham had an issue with a fan of ours playing up in a game at Moss Lane a few years back, alongside the occasional Alty fan having a dig... so much so they invite us back for friendlies and allow us use of Moss Lane for the odd cup game.

To say they have no ambition beyond Non-league would be a downright lie.

We want to be successful, who doesn't? I prefer non-league, but as someone wiser than me once said 'Ambition is critical'

I'm unaware that they had any defined community locality for which they provide community work and suspect any they do will have been done for opportunistic reasons, opportunistic is their DNA.

We don't have any defined community locality, as quite frankly, we hadn't done it before. We chose areas to develop youth work and found ourselves to be trading on the toes of City or United, so we had to look again, and found ourselves working on inclusion schemes not currently covered by MCFC or MUFC such as Miles Platting, Openshaw, Whalley Range and yes, Moston. I'm not sure what is opportunistic about working with kids who routinely carry weapons, have substance issues etc but we have done.

They are the bastard offspring spawn of a despicable behemoth

I'll take that as a compliment

and no public money should be granted to a private members club for dickheads.

We've raised £1.3m of the cash ourselves. The 'public money' being used was already allocated to a scheme that went bump. That the council decide to use it for a project that will help and empower the Moston community is, in my opinion, an investment. If you'd care to explain the difference between public money building the CoMS and our scheme, I'm all ears.

I realise I'm peeing in the proverbial here, but thought I'd stop by challenge the lazy misconceptions often banded about. I'm not welcome, I know that, but it could be worth bearing in mind that we could very soon be neighbours...

 

[Hes the left back remember]

Moston Jnrs secured this land to develop it in conjunction with the council and other grants that were open to them.They took it on and the council then left them to run it and look after it. The idea was to develop it ,Moston jnrs run the site and it would be used for the local community and other teams not just Moston jnrs.This is why there is a small community type building on the property so that it is intergrated into the community with meeting for toddlers groups etc etc.
Funding ran dry and Moston jnrs were unable to continue with the redevelopment of all the field.
If FCU take over what will happen to the local teams that play on their now? Pitches are already hard to find on a sunday.Wouldn't the council be better off using this 750k over a number of years to maintain the field allowing all of it to be used for local football teams and aid the community building that is already there?
There is a purpose built stadium with ample parking being built for a local rugby team just by the M60 isnt that a better option.

 

[Dandelion]

What a fucking cretinous post!

It just shows them up for what they really are.. deeply bitter, angry people who have an almost obsessive hatred for City, while all the time supporting two clubs to make sure their obsession about City is spread into non-league football as well.

They are the most mixed up bunch of fans I have ever encountered, they can't make up their minds about who and what they are... they have but one common factor... this obsession about City.

I never thought I would stumble upon a bigger bunch of hypocrites than the rags, but this lot win hands down!

One love? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

This is a terrible post to be honest. The bit in bold in particular.

FC United fans are Manchester United fans that were against the Glazer takeover and modern football in particular, so formed a splinter group and set up their own club that put the fans of the club at the heart of their decisions.

They are United fans and so they have a hatred for us just like they did when they followed United.

It actually looks like you're trying to say that they set up another club so that two clubs would hate us rather than one? And that they haven't made their mind up on who the support? Laughable.

What's wrong with being level headed about things for once.

 

[blueinsa]

It just shows them up for what they really are.. deeply bitter, angry people who have an almost obsessive hatred for City, while all the time supporting two clubs to make sure their obsession about City is spread into non-league football as well.

They are the most mixed up bunch of fans I have ever encountered, they can't make up their minds about who and what they are... they have but one common factor... this obsession about City.

I never thought I would stumble upon a bigger bunch of hypocrites than the rags, but this lot win hands down!

One love? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

This is a terrible post to be honest. The bit in bold in particular.

FC United fans are Manchester United fans that were against the Glazer takeover and modern football in particular, so formed a splinter group and set up their own club that put the fans of the club at the heart of their decisions.

They are United fans and so they have a hatred for us just like they did when they followed United.

It actually looks like you're trying to say that they set up another club so that two clubs would hate us rather than one? And that they haven't made their mind up on who the support? Laughable.

What's wrong with being level headed about things for once.

I think you need to re-read Soulboy's post and have a re-think.

The only thing laughable is your interpretation.