Fernandinho

[Centurions]

Enough with the obfuscation already! I was comparing the attitudes of the forum, not the players. If anyone cares to refer back, Jo was gifted similar superstar status in the absence of superstar performances.

But, as I said, I am not comparing Jo the player with Fernandinho the player.

I know you were referring to the attitude of the Forum, but I don't think the fact they are both Brazilian has entered anyone's head in terms of dealing with them both collectively in a particular way.

It's not like either of them are archetypal Brazilian players. I don't think anyone expects Fernandinho to be a "Brazilian" asset to our team, quite the opposite, in fact.

If you remove all reference to Brazil, the essential point remains. I was merely using the fact of them both being Brazilian to contextualize the comparison more fully.

But to "contextualize" means you're using the two in a particular context mainly being the fact that they're both Brazilian.
Not to mention the fact that one is a striker(allegedly) and the other is a DM.

 

[citytill1die84]

He's been steady for me this season but once he gets to grips with the prem he's going to be a solid addition. He's brought the best out of Yaya and that's worth the 30m alone. Helped dominate the rags midfield and didn't do much wrong yesterday.

 

[mammutly]

I know you were referring to the attitude of the Forum, but I don't think the fact they are both Brazilian has entered anyone's head in terms of dealing with them both collectively in a particular way.

It's not like either of them are archetypal Brazilian players. I don't think anyone expects Fernandinho to be a "Brazilian" asset to our team, quite the opposite, in fact.

If you remove all reference to Brazil, the essential point remains. I was merely using the fact of them both being Brazilian to contextualize the comparison more fully.

Given the fact you used the term "Brazilian" three times in your original post, I would suggest it was fairly intrinsic to the point you were advancing ;-)

Related, granted. Intrinsic - never

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If you remove all reference to Brazil, the essential point remains. I was merely using the fact of them both being Brazilian to contextualize the comparison more fully.

Given the fact you used the term "Brazilian" three times in your original post, I would suggest it was fairly intrinsic to the point you were advancing ;-)

Related, granted. Intrinsic - never

To paraphrase Benjamin Disraeli:

To use the term "Brazilian" twice could be construed as related to the point you are making; to use it thrice makes it intrinsic :-)

 

[jollylescott]

He's been steady for me this season but once he gets to grips with the prem he's going to be a solid addition. He's brought the best out of Yaya and that's worth the 30m alone. Helped dominate the rags midfield and didn't do much wrong yesterday.

This for me is the key to how to assess Fenandinho so far. Apart from his general speed of thought and clever interceptions, he has contributed to Yaya playing his best football in years.

If he brings nothing else to the team that'll do me!

 

[mammutly]

Given the fact you used the term "Brazilian" three times in your original post, I would suggest it was fairly intrinsic to the point you were advancing ;-)

Related, granted. Intrinsic - never

To paraphrase Benjamin Disraeli:

To use the term "Brazilian" twice could be construed as related to the point you are making; to use it thrice makes it intrinsic :-)

Once of the thrice was a reference to the national team in general.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Related, granted. Intrinsic - never

To paraphrase Benjamin Disraeli:

To use the term "Brazilian" twice could be construed as related to the point you are making; to use it thrice makes it intrinsic :-)

Once of the thrice was a reference to the national team in general.

Which they've both played in.....

 

[conormcfc]

This forum has been here before with a Brazilian player, namely Jo. I said after 4 or 5 games that he was no superstar and was absolutely slated for daring to even suggest he was anything less than a young genius on a par with with the world's best.

I am now saying something similar ( not the same) about Fernandinho. He is a good footballer, who reads the game well and passes the ball neatly, but he is no world beater. There's a reason he does not get in the Brazilian team and why he has not played in a better sides before now. I do not see the magic in his boots that some people do because it isn't there. He will have good games, bad games and so-so games and I doubt he will do a lot wrong. Played in the right position, neither does Garcia, who, by the way, is also a decent player.

Bluemoon has its' favourites and its' villans. Garcia and Lescott are currently slagged by most as was Barry, whereas Fernandinho and Jovetic can do no wrong. Sorry, but I am just not interested in which player is currently in fashion and which isn't. In my opinion, Fernandinho is decent, but not brilliant and I'm unsure if he is the type of player we need to take us forward. For me, Gareth Barry was/is better.

I'd be happy to come back in 10 or 20 games time and say I was completely wrong about him, but I don't think that will be necessary. Rather I expect that, like with Jo, the 'magic Brazilian specs' will not survive the winter and gradually people will arrive at a more realistic view of Fernandinho.

I took 2 minutes to take a look at some of your earlier posts and I can't see anything about Jo.

Speaking of Brazilians though, I noticed you referring to Robinho as "the best player in the world" when we signed him.

How's that glass house of yours?

Fernandinho didn't get in the Brazil team because he played in the Ukrainian league, this has been covered many times.

 

[Anonymous]

I thought he was our best player yesterday.......

and so did the MEN player ratings!

 

[mammutly]

This forum has been here before with a Brazilian player, namely Jo. I said after 4 or 5 games that he was no superstar and was absolutely slated for daring to even suggest he was anything less than a young genius on a par with with the world's best.

I am now saying something similar ( not the same) about Fernandinho. He is a good footballer, who reads the game well and passes the ball neatly, but he is no world beater. There's a reason he does not get in the Brazilian team and why he has not played in a better sides before now. I do not see the magic in his boots that some people do because it isn't there. He will have good games, bad games and so-so games and I doubt he will do a lot wrong. Played in the right position, neither does Garcia, who, by the way, is also a decent player.

Bluemoon has its' favourites and its' villans. Garcia and Lescott are currently slagged by most as was Barry, whereas Fernandinho and Jovetic can do no wrong. Sorry, but I am just not interested in which player is currently in fashion and which isn't. In my opinion, Fernandinho is decent, but not brilliant and I'm unsure if he is the type of player we need to take us forward. For me, Gareth Barry was/is better.

I'd be happy to come back in 10 or 20 games time and say I was completely wrong about him, but I don't think that will be necessary. Rather I expect that, like with Jo, the 'magic Brazilian specs' will not survive the winter and gradually people will arrive at a more realistic view of Fernandinho.

I took 2 minutes to take a look at some of your earlier posts and I can't see anything about Jo.

Speaking of Brazilians though, I noticed you referring to Robinho as "the best player in the world" when we signed him.

How's that glass house of yours?

Fernandinho didn't get in the Brazil team because he played in the Ukrainian league, this has been covered many times.

The Jo posts definitely exist

Robinho, at his best. was potentially the best. Unfortunately, we didn't see his potential often enough.

But, back to the point. Why did Fernandinho stay in the Ukraine for so long? Where were the offers from the top European teams in seasons past? Surely his agent would have been keen to get him a higher profile?

As I said, I'd be happy to come back here and say I was wrong, but at the moment I see a decent player. I don't see a special player.