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JoeMercer'sWay said:
George Hannah said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
Different ones for each game, it's called rotation and flexibility.
I love Fern but it's clear we can't play him and Yaya every game all season because they'll completely fade, we need depth and competition and tactical and squad rotation.

i don't want them to play every game either. but obviously garcia is useless and rodwell is always injured.

we still have milner who can play in midfield, i'm surprised he isn't being used there.

we already have the personnel to play a diamond in midfield, it is mind boggling why pellegrini insists on this 4-2-3-1 that never works.

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this formation would allow us to slow down the game and get more control.
 
totalfootball said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
George Hannah said:
I love Fern but it's clear we can't play him and Yaya every game all season because they'll completely fade, we need depth and competition and tactical and squad rotation.

i don't want them to play every game either. but obviously garcia is useless and rodwell is always injured.

we still have milner who can play in midfield, i'm surprised he isn't being used there.

we already have the personnel to play a diamond in midfield, it is mind boggling why pellegrini insists on this 4-2-3-1 that never works.

888169_Champions_League_Team.jpg


this formation would allow us to slow down the game and get more control.

Is that so different to Saturday?

Nasri usually plays where Silva is anyway, so all that tweak really does is ask Milner to tuck inside.
 
totalfootball said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
George Hannah said:
I love Fern but it's clear we can't play him and Yaya every game all season because they'll completely fade, we need depth and competition and tactical and squad rotation.

i don't want them to play every game either. but obviously garcia is useless and rodwell is always injured.

we still have milner who can play in midfield, i'm surprised he isn't being used there.

we already have the personnel to play a diamond in midfield, it is mind boggling why pellegrini insists on this 4-2-3-1 that never works.

888169_Champions_League_Team.jpg


this formation would allow us to slow down the game and get more control.

Is that so different to Saturday?

Nasri usually plays where Silva is anyway, so all that tweak really does is ask Milner to tuck inside.
 
King Geedorah said:
totalfootball said:

i don't want them to play every game either. but obviously garcia is useless and rodwell is always injured.

we still have milner who can play in midfield, i'm surprised he isn't being used there.

we already have the personnel to play a diamond in midfield, it is mind boggling why pellegrini insists on this 4-2-3-1 that never works.

888169_Champions_League_Team.jpg


this formation would allow us to slow down the game and get more control.

Is that so different to Saturday?

Nasri usually plays where Silva is anyway, so all that tweak really does is ask Milner to tuck inside.

Why is that a bad thing ? sometimes we need more men in midfield because yaya and inferno are tired or are getting overrun.

the 3-5-2 is another formation that can give us more stability.

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totalfootball said:
King Geedorah said:
totalfootball said:
i don't want them to play every game either. but obviously garcia is useless and rodwell is always injured.

we still have milner who can play in midfield, i'm surprised he isn't being used there.

we already have the personnel to play a diamond in midfield, it is mind boggling why pellegrini insists on this 4-2-3-1 that never works.

888169_Champions_League_Team.jpg


this formation would allow us to slow down the game and get more control.

Is that so different to Saturday?

Nasri usually plays where Silva is anyway, so all that tweak really does is ask Milner to tuck inside.

Why is that a bad thing ? sometimes we need more men in midfield because yaya and inferno are tired or are getting overrun.

the 3-5-2 is another formation that can give us more stability.

888173_Championship_Manager_Team.jpg

Steady on.
 
3-5-2 with Fernandinho as a CB? A 4-1-2-1-2 diamond? Honestly, I hope you're joking. I won't even bother with the 3-5-2, but the diamond won't be effective because it would require our fullbacks to sit much deeper than they currently do, likely abandoning attack, since they would have no help out wide... and if the phrase "no help out wide" and "kolarov" strikes you as an awful idea, you're starting to catch on. All you've done is sucked some support inside and exposed us to wide play. If you're trying to solve the issue of helping Yaya and Fernandinho, you're going to have to do it by removing a striker, not shuffling the players behind the striker. If we played your diamond against Bayern we might concede 11 with Robben and Ribery with space to roam.
 
teddykgb said:
3-5-2 with Fernandinho as a CB? A 4-1-2-1-2 diamond? Honestly, I hope you're joking.

why would i be joking ?

have you never seen a defensive midfielder playing in between two CB's before ? are you new to football ?

teddykgb said:
If we played your diamond against Bayern we might concede 11 with Robben and Ribery with space to roam.


not if the two strikers play as false wingers.

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SuperMario's Fireworks. said:
I think once rodwell is fit we could definitely switch to a 4-3-3

Hart

Zaba Kompany Nasty Clichy

Fernandinho
Yaya Rodwell

Silva/Navas Aguero/Negredo Nasri/Jovetic
Rodwell is not the answer !
 
Thenumber1blue said:
SuperMario's Fireworks. said:
I think once rodwell is fit we could definitely switch to a 4-3-3

Hart

Zaba Kompany Nasty Clichy

Fernandinho
Yaya Rodwell

Silva/Navas Aguero/Negredo Nasri/Jovetic
Rodwell is not the answer !
That is a brilliantly reasoned, well thought out and interesting point, bravo.
 
totalfootball said:
the long awaited season review:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt_H0z6CxLc[/youtube]

One thing what amazes me about him is that fact that only does he intercept the ball, he looks to pass the ball instantly. Normally, you see someone just intercept and not matter where the ball ends up, Fernandinho sort of intercept/passes the ball.
 
totalfootball said:
teddykgb said:
3-5-2 with Fernandinho as a CB? A 4-1-2-1-2 diamond? Honestly, I hope you're joking.

why would i be joking ?

have you never seen a defensive midfielder playing in between two CB's before ? are you new to football ?

teddykgb said:
If we played your diamond against Bayern we might concede 11 with Robben and Ribery with space to roam.


not if the two strikers play as false wingers.

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so in effect you want to play the pep guardiola 4-3-3 with a false no.9, not a diamond.
 
aguero93:20 said:
totalfootball said:
teddykgb said:
3-5-2 with Fernandinho as a CB? A 4-1-2-1-2 diamond? Honestly, I hope you're joking.

why would i be joking ?

have you never seen a defensive midfielder playing in between two CB's before ? are you new to football ?

teddykgb said:
If we played your diamond against Bayern we might concede 11 with Robben and Ribery with space to roam.


not if the two strikers play as false wingers.

888194_Champions_League_Team.jpg
so in effect you want to play the pep guardiola 4-3-3 with a false no.9, not a diamond.

the 4-3-3 with a false no.9 has a diamond midfield.

why do you think barcelona and bayern manage to get so much possession. it is has less to do with the players they have and more to do with the the diamond in midfield.
 
totalfootball said:
aguero93:20 said:
totalfootball said:
why would i be joking ?

have you never seen a defensive midfielder playing in between two CB's before ? are you new to football ?




not if the two strikers play as false wingers.

888194_Champions_League_Team.jpg
so in effect you want to play the pep guardiola 4-3-3 with a false no.9, not a diamond.

the 4-3-3 with a false no.9 has a diamond midfield.

why do you think barcelona and bayern manage to get so much possession. it is has less to do with the players they have and more to do with the the diamond in midfield.
with gotze or Silva playing as the false no 9, maybe, with messi, it doesn't, its about the personnel as much as the formation. plus, in the guardiola formation, the two central midfielders (in your graphic Milner and dinho, have massively different roles and responsibilities e.g. iniesta played up besides messi and villa as much as he did beside xavi, so its a lot different from the diamond midfield you seemed to be referring to in your earlier post, the mourinho one, where there was a noticeable gap between lampard and the strikers
 
aguero93:20 said:
totalfootball said:
aguero93:20 said:
so in effect you want to play the pep guardiola 4-3-3 with a false no.9, not a diamond.

the 4-3-3 with a false no.9 has a diamond midfield.

why do you think barcelona and bayern manage to get so much possession. it is has less to do with the players they have and more to do with the the diamond in midfield.
with gotze or Silva playing as the false no 9, maybe, with messi, it doesn't, its about the personnel as much as the formation. plus, in the guardiola formation, the two central midfielders (in your graphic Milner and dinho, have massively different roles and responsibilities e.g. iniesta played up besides messi and villa as much as he did beside xavi, so its a lot different from the diamond midfield you seemed to be referring to in your earlier post, the mourinho one, where there was a noticeable gap between lampard and the strikers

are you seriously saying that barcelona don't play with a diamond in midfield ? or atleast used to (i dont know how they play now).

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totalfootball said:
aguero93:20 said:
totalfootball said:
the 4-3-3 with a false no.9 has a diamond midfield.

why do you think barcelona and bayern manage to get so much possession. it is has less to do with the players they have and more to do with the the diamond in midfield.
with gotze or Silva playing as the false no 9, maybe, with messi, it doesn't, its about the personnel as much as the formation. plus, in the guardiola formation, the two central midfielders (in your graphic Milner and dinho, have massively different roles and responsibilities e.g. iniesta played up besides messi and villa as much as he did beside xavi, so its a lot different from the diamond midfield you seemed to be referring to in your earlier post, the mourinho one, where there was a noticeable gap between lampard and the strikers

are you seriously saying that barcelona don't play with a diamond in midfield ? or atleast used to (i dont know how they play now).

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ah I'm not gonna get sucked into an argument over this, barca have triangles all over the park, not diamonds, diamond midfield in England has always meant (since 2005 anyway) mourinhos diamonds and you were on about diamonds when all you needed to say was 4-3-3 with a false no.9, which is what everyone else in the world calls that formation.
 
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