Fernando vs Garcia

[pudge]

Now that's pretty funny. Amazing how a legend grows from one set-piece (header in his first game away at Stoke). I suggest you watch a few other games - like the away game against that mighty offensive juggernaut called Cardiff last season.

As for Garcia's tackling, about on par with Boyata's shooting or Navas's first time crosses.

You think I'm referring to one headed goal?

Javi won the majority of headers he contested, fact, the numbers are there to see. In the Champions League alone he won over 70% of his aerial duels whilst Fernando sits at 45%.

It's not a case of "how a legend grows" it's a case of you being ignorant to the facts.

Let me give you a tip. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to do better than throw out a couple of random numbers with no sources.

If you want to see some real stats then take a look at these:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.whoscored.com/Players/12378/History/Javi-Garca" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.whoscored.com/Players/12378/ ... Javi-Garca</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.whoscored.com/Players/31958/History/Fernando" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.whoscored.com/Players/31958/History/Fernando</a>

The only category where Garcia is better is Aerials Won. Fernando is streets ahead on Tackles, Interceptions, Passes made, Long Balls and Assists to cite a few.

Based on what I've seen so far, Fernando has been a disappointment, but the notion that Garcia is some lost messiah suggests you don't watch many games.

Here's the stats you crave. It took me about 30 seconds to find them I assume you're too busy;

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.squawka.com/players/javi-garcia/stats#performance-score" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.squawka.com/players/javi-gar ... ance-score</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.squawka.com/players/fernando-reges/stats#performance-score" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.squawka.com/players/fernando ... ance-score</a>

A few clicks and you have their respective stats for their time here and in whatever competition you like.

Javi is "streets ahead" in the air, which is my point. Not "maybe slightly better" but far, far better. He's no "lost messiah" Lord knows where you have gathered that in my proving that he's better in the air than Fernando. How's that for serious?

 

[ninjamonkey]

Don't want to give a final Verdict on Fernando just yet but what i will say is, right now i'd sooner have the Javi Garcia of last season in midfield rather than Fernando.

 

[lasereyes]

You think I'm referring to one headed goal?

Javi won the majority of headers he contested, fact, the numbers are there to see. In the Champions League alone he won over 70% of his aerial duels whilst Fernando sits at 45%.

It's not a case of "how a legend grows" it's a case of you being ignorant to the facts.

Let me give you a tip. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to do better than throw out a couple of random numbers with no sources.

If you want to see some real stats then take a look at these:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.whoscored.com/Players/12378/History/Javi-Garca" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.whoscored.com/Players/12378/ ... Javi-Garca</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.whoscored.com/Players/31958/History/Fernando" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.whoscored.com/Players/31958/History/Fernando</a>

The only category where Garcia is better is Aerials Won. Fernando is streets ahead on Tackles, Interceptions, Passes made, Long Balls and Assists to cite a few.

Based on what I've seen so far, Fernando has been a disappointment, but the notion that Garcia is some lost messiah suggests you don't watch many games.

Here's the stats you crave. It took me about 30 seconds to find them I assume you're too busy;

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.squawka.com/players/javi-garcia/stats#performance-score" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.squawka.com/players/javi-gar ... ance-score</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.squawka.com/players/fernando-reges/stats#performance-score" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.squawka.com/players/fernando ... ance-score</a>

A few clicks and you have their respective stats for their time here and in whatever competition you like.

Javi is "streets ahead" in the air, which is my point. Not "maybe slightly better" but far, far better. How's that for serious?

I already posted the stats and they showed that Fernando is much better on everything but Aerials Won. Please follow along.

Garcia has better aerial stats than Fernando - give you that one. But a "beast in the air"? I sure hope you're not being serious. 1.8 aerials won/game is no great shakes. Even someone like Mangala is at 2.7.

And as for Garcia vs. Fernando tackling being "debatable", suggest you mull over 1.3 tackles/game vs. 2.5 tackles/game,

 

[pudge]

Let me give you a tip. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to do better than throw out a couple of random numbers with no sources.

If you want to see some real stats then take a look at these:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.whoscored.com/Players/12378/History/Javi-Garca" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.whoscored.com/Players/12378/ ... Javi-Garca</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.whoscored.com/Players/31958/History/Fernando" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.whoscored.com/Players/31958/History/Fernando</a>

The only category where Garcia is better is Aerials Won. Fernando is streets ahead on Tackles, Interceptions, Passes made, Long Balls and Assists to cite a few.

Based on what I've seen so far, Fernando has been a disappointment, but the notion that Garcia is some lost messiah suggests you don't watch many games.

Here's the stats you crave. It took me about 30 seconds to find them I assume you're too busy;

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.squawka.com/players/javi-garcia/stats#performance-score" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.squawka.com/players/javi-gar ... ance-score</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.squawka.com/players/fernando-reges/stats#performance-score" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.squawka.com/players/fernando ... ance-score</a>

A few clicks and you have their respective stats for their time here and in whatever competition you like.

Javi is "streets ahead" in the air, which is my point. Not "maybe slightly better" but far, far better. How's that for serious?

I already posted the stats and they showed that Fernando is much better on everything but Aerials Won. Please follow along.

Garcia has better aerial stats than Fernando - give you that one. But a "beast in the air"? I sure hope you're not being serious. 1.8 aerials won/game is no great shakes. Even someone like Mangala is at 2.7.

And as for Garcia vs. Fernando tackling being "debatable", suggest you mull over 1.3 tackles/game vs. 2.5 tackles/game,

Winning over 70% of your duels in Europe's top club competition and over 50% of the Premier League would indicate that yes.

It's not the total, it's how many you win, and when Javi challenged in the air far more often than not he won.

Thanks for agreeing he's better in the air.

As for tackles per game, I'd be more interested in success rate. The amount of times someone tackles doesn't indicate they're better, follow along please; the amount of shots a striker takes isn't really indicative of anything, their conversion rate is a better measure.

 

[NQCitizen]

The issue is we're replacing intelligent, composed but unathletic players (Garcia, Nastasic, soon Demichelis) with stronger, faster players with absolutely no tactical awareness (Fernando, Mangala).

The pace, pace, pace brigade are happy but realistically we're worse off.

 

[lasereyes]

Here's the stats you crave. It took me about 30 seconds to find them I assume you're too busy;

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.squawka.com/players/javi-garcia/stats#performance-score" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.squawka.com/players/javi-gar ... ance-score</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.squawka.com/players/fernando-reges/stats#performance-score" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.squawka.com/players/fernando ... ance-score</a>

A few clicks and you have their respective stats for their time here and in whatever competition you like.

Javi is "streets ahead" in the air, which is my point. Not "maybe slightly better" but far, far better. How's that for serious?

I already posted the stats and they showed that Fernando is much better on everything but Aerials Won. Please follow along.

Garcia has better aerial stats than Fernando - give you that one. But a "beast in the air"? I sure hope you're not being serious. 1.8 aerials won/game is no great shakes. Even someone like Mangala is at 2.7.

And as for Garcia vs. Fernando tackling being "debatable", suggest you mull over 1.3 tackles/game vs. 2.5 tackles/game,

Winning over 70% of your duels in Europe's top club competition and over 50% of the Premier League would indicate that yes.

It's not the total, it's how many you win, and when Javi challenged in the air far more often than not he won.

Thanks for agreeing he's better in the air.

As for tackles per game, I'd be more interested in success rate. The amount of times someone tackles doesn't indicate they're better, follow along please; the amount of shots a striker takes isn't really indicative of anything, their conversion rate is a better measure.

The stats are the number of successful tackles. And Fernando is twice as good as Garcia. Not to say Fernando is any great shakes. But shows how awful Garcia is on that.

And of course the number you win counts more than the %. If one player contests and wins 5 out of 7 battles and another wins 1 out of 1, who is more useful? So in those stats you cite (in a grand total of 4 CL games - not exactly statistically significant), how many "duels" did he actually take on?

The main problem with Garcia is a basic lack of ball skill and (probably directly related) his passivity. I don't really care if a player wins a couple of headers in a game in non-threatening positions and does nothing else of use.

There's a reason he was moved on and to a club like Zenit St Petersburg who couldn't get out of a piss easy CL group.

 

[johnmc]

Funny how Garcia is getting more praise now he's left than when he was here. He's become a better player by leaving.

He was slated on here week after week.

 

[oneothem]

This post should read Barry v Fernanadiho. The above two do not compete.

 

[pudge]

I already posted the stats and they showed that Fernando is much better on everything but Aerials Won. Please follow along.

Garcia has better aerial stats than Fernando - give you that one. But a "beast in the air"? I sure hope you're not being serious. 1.8 aerials won/game is no great shakes. Even someone like Mangala is at 2.7.

And as for Garcia vs. Fernando tackling being "debatable", suggest you mull over 1.3 tackles/game vs. 2.5 tackles/game,

Winning over 70% of your duels in Europe's top club competition and over 50% of the Premier League would indicate that yes.

It's not the total, it's how many you win, and when Javi challenged in the air far more often than not he won.

Thanks for agreeing he's better in the air.

As for tackles per game, I'd be more interested in success rate. The amount of times someone tackles doesn't indicate they're better, follow along please; the amount of shots a striker takes isn't really indicative of anything, their conversion rate is a better measure.

The stats are the number of successful tackles. And Fernando is twice as good as Garcia. Not to say Fernando is any great shakes. But shows how awful Garcia is on that.

And of course the number you win counts more than the %. If one player contests and wins 5 out of 7 battles and another wins 1 out of 1, who is more useful? So in those stats you cite (in a grand total of 4 CL games - not exactly statistically significant), how many "duels" did he actually take on?

The main problem with Garcia is a basic lack of ball skill and (probably directly related) his passivity. I don't really care if a player wins a couple of headers in a game in non-threatening positions and does nothing else of use.

There's a reason he was moved on and to a club like Zenit St Petersburg who couldn't get out of a piss easy CL group.

'Boro's first goal was the result of Fernando shitting out of a header in midfield; whereas that was Javi's strong point.

I don't want him back nor think he's better than he was simply because he's gone but he does have advantages over Fernando and vice versa. Garcia certainly improved at the end of his time here but thats unfair to compare to Fernando's first few months. However, challenging and winning headers was something you could never knock regarding Javi at any point. So to see you say he's "maybe slightly better" is as the numbers show, a disservice.

I'm still doubtful of this leg breaking image Fernando has gathered though.

I don't think either is or was good enough for the long haul. Both have positives and negatives but to me they probably cancel out but the last 2 games Fernando has made a few mistakes leading to goals in situations where a good header of the ball would have cleared the danger.

My opinion of Javi now is consistent of when he was here. He had the turning circle of an oil tanker but a route one ball up the middle (like today) and he dealt with it.

 

[B\connellblue]

For fuck sake how hard is it given £20 million to buy a decent player. truth is, neither of these players would have been on the madrids, barcas or munichs radar so why did we go after them. seems to me that we buy players and then try to justify them not been a disaster. can anyone remember the last time we bought an undiscovered gem?